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#61 Marguide

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:34 AM

Like I said, his contract will be paid in full regardless of when he gets fired. He could get fired today or 18 months from now and still make the same amount of money. However, if he still wants to coach the Panthers in the future, he needs to win games and win them immediately. Hiring the coach that he feels gives him the best chance to do just that is what he's going to do.


Sorry Floppin', not buying this argument at all.

It's not about money. People that are highly motivated and proud (like anyone who reaches the level Ron has reached) are not thinking about money when it comes to decisions like these. They are thinking of their reputation, their ability to keep chasing their dreams, their ability to be respected by others in their industry.

Having a formerly successful and capable coach on his staff could certainly feel like a threat to him. It is only natural. He has visions of the new guy have side conversations with Gettleman or JR questioning his decisions. Every manager on the hot seat would feel the same. It would be naive to think fear and the bunker mentality played no part in his decision.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:39 AM

Different JR and you know it

Fox wasn't fired cause he didn't want to pay him out. Hurney wasn't even under contract


What kind of revisionist history is this?

JR said the words himself in his now famous pie chart presser. He didn't want to pay out the $11 million in staff salaries and have to pay a new staff at the same time.

It couldn't have been much clearer.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:41 AM

Sorry Floppin', not buying this argument at all.

It's not about money. People that are highly motivated and proud (like anyone who reaches the level Ron has reached) are not thinking about money when it comes to decisions like these. They are thinking of their reputation, their ability to keep chasing their dreams, their ability to be respected by others in their industry.

Having a formerly successful and capable coach on his staff could certainly feel like a threat to him. It is only natural. He has visions of the new guy have side conversations with Gettleman or JR questioning his decisions. Every manager on the hot seat would feel the same. It would be naive to think fear and the bunker mentality played no part in his decision.


I am not sure this makes sense Marguide. If you are thinking about reputation and being respected by others in your industry, wouldn't you make a move that you felt gave you the best chance to win??

Because, if an OC is truly great, he will help make Ron Rivera look great, the Panthers will likely win, and Ron probably keeps his job and keeps chasing his dreams.

It sounds almost as if you are saying "He is so concerned about his reputation and being respected around the league, that he is purposely sabotaging himself by making lazy, shitty hires.

Just doesn't make sense, or at least it is counterintuitive.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:44 AM

What kind of revisionist history is this?

JR said the words himself in his now famous pie chart presser. He didn't want to pay out the $11 million in staff salaries and have to pay a new staff at the same time.

It couldn't have been much clearer.


I think you may have misinterpreted that, or if not I did. i think he meant that Fox wasn't fired after the 2009 season because JR didn't want to pay out his contract and another coaching staff.

That is they way I took it, but I may be wrong.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:53 AM

I am not sure this makes sense Marguide. If you are thinking about reputation and being respected by others in your industry, wouldn't you make a move that you felt gave you the best chance to win??

Because, if an OC is truly great, he will help make Ron Rivera look great, the Panthers will likely win, and Ron probably keeps his job and keeps chasing his dreams.

It sounds almost as if you are saying "He is so concerned about his reputation and being respected around the league, that he is purposely sabotaging himself by making lazy, shitty hires.

Just doesn't make sense, or at least it is counterintuitive.


Don't confuse my two points.
1) Money is not the primary motivating factor for Rivera at this point, so the idea that he is going to get paid either way is irrelevant imo.
2) Yes, Ron's primary motivations are things like peer acceptance and achieving his long-term goals. However, a person under fire does not always make the best decisions. It is often difficult to step back and really look at things from an objective viewpoint. One would hope that Gettleman and/or JR would try to help Ron with that, but they may have different motivations and are going to let him sink or swim with his decision.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:56 AM

I think you may have misinterpreted that, or if not I did. i think he meant that Fox wasn't fired after the 2009 season because JR didn't want to pay out his contract and another coaching staff.

That is they way I took it, but I may be wrong.


Ah ok. Sorry about that then.

It just amazes me when people b!tch about JR being a bit frugal and others think that is a ridiculous viewpoint. JR is often his own worst PR nightmare, so it is easy to see why people think he's kinda tight.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:05 AM

Yes they did when the NFC West was trash.


Wrong, they lost in week 17 of 2010 to the Seahawks, who ended up being the first team with a losing record to win a playoff game. Also known as the marshawn lynch takes a giant poo on the saints defense game.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:06 AM

Wrong, they lost in week 17 of 2010 to the Seahawks, who ended up being the first team with a losing record to win a playoff game. Also known as the marshawn lynch takes a giant poo on the saints defense game.


Ok yeah my mistake. But Bradford has at least been relevant past week 5

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:06 AM

Yes they did when the NFC West was trash.


As others have said, no, they didn't. What do I win?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:08 AM

Don't confuse my two points.
1) Money is not the primary motivating factor for Rivera at this point, so the idea that he is going to get paid either way is irrelevant imo.
2) Yes, Ron's primary motivations are things like peer acceptance and achieving his long-term goals. However, a person under fire does not always make the best decisions. It is often difficult to step back and really look at things from an objective viewpoint. One would hope that Gettleman and/or JR would try to help Ron with that, but they may have different motivations and are going to let him sink or swim with his decision.


In reference to #2 I understand your point, but it isn't like this has been a pooty offense and we are promoting from within. We have had 2 consecutive top 10 seasons on offense.

If our offense had not been successful and we did the same thing I would be on board with you 100%, but I understand the idea of having something that is successful and trying to continue it. That isn't irrational decision making.

Think of it this way if you were in Ron's shoes and on the hot seat. You can stay with an offense that has been very good with an OC that is very familiar with our personnel. Or hire a guy that may also be a good OC, but will likely spend the first half of the season playing with his new toy Cam Newton and trying to figure out how to use him to the best of Cam's abilities. Perhaps to the peril of your employment.

I don't know how this will turn out and I am actually pretty indifferent to the hire, but there is a logic in this hire that makes sense.


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