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#31 rodeo

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:38 PM

I thought you were talking about not being able to talk to your son. If it's your dad, just forget it and be confident that you're a different person and won't carry it on.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:22 PM

My dad was a hard on me when I was young. My folks divorced when I was 13 and he moved out west. I have no idea if this had an affect on our current relationship but we can and do talk about anything. From shooting the poo about sports (he's a raiders/dodgers fan), to our political stances, we'd had some heavy conversations. He once asked if I was gay and that if I was he would still love me none the less. While that was great and heart felt my dad thought I was gay.

#33 thefuzz

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

My Dad and I fought like cats and dogs when I was in high school on through college. He thought that I was not applying myself as well as I should. Mainly because I had a very bright future, and he could see that I was a really smart kid. Just liked to have fun more than study.

With my first job things got a little better, and when I started moving up the ranks, it got even better than that. I was applying myself and he seemed to be a little more proud. He always knew that I could "go farther" than him in life, and it hurt him to see me throwing it away.

Now we don't talk on the phone, but he wants me to go to the beach house all the time. When we are there, we fish, drink, play cards, cuss, and pretty much act like best friends. It was really tough to go from the screaming matches from high school to what we have today, but I wanted a better relationship and so did he.

I had to grow up and he had to loosen up.

P.S. does this have to do with your farm?

#34 Kurb

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

P.S. does this have to do with your farm?


No not at all.

#35 logic1977

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

Wow. I expected this to be a teenage child issues. Not belittling your situation in any way but its hard for me to imagine as an adult having any sort of stress over a poor relationship with my father.

I talk to my dad maybe every 9 months or so and i never go to him for fartherly advice. But i had a great relationship growing up with him so so maybe i dont feel like there is a gap that needs to be closed.

My wife has issues like this with her mom, but it stems from a poor relationship growing up

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

oh boy. i don't know if there is enough bandwidth for me to tell the whole story how my dad, a sgt in vietnam who saw and did some BAD BAD stuff reconciled over a letter i sent him telling him about some hurts/bitterness because he wasn't there for certain big moments growing up. all my big sports accomplishments etc. he was there for my graduation.

i was about 23 or 24 and finally put into words what i felt. sent it to him and he called. the first thing he said was, i made you feel that way? and the bawling started.

fast forward 7 years. my dad was having some issues with his family. he and my mom divorced when i was 6. his sis my aunt is at his house and he gets misty eyed and goes, well, im not sure what everyone thinks of me but i know pstall(no not my name) loves me.
that same year, for his 50th he has me and my 3 other bros and their sig others over for a big cook out and movie. we watch The Deer Hunter. Amazing movie and much deeper to see as a 30 yr old.
after the movie we are on the deck and all stunned at what we just saw. then my dad walks out and its his moment since it's his birthday. and for the first time EVER in his life, he opens up about his demons from Vietnam. he just started going into detail of what he saw and what he did. i was speechless and just walked up to him, gave him a huge hug and went to my car and sobbed.

a few months later for my 30(dad was 20 when i was born) he calls me and wishes me happy bday. but he says those words every son wants to hear. son...im proud of you. i was sobbing again. took him 30 yrs to say it but he told me.

also that same year, he reconciled with his dad, a hard case WW2 vet. my grand dad opened up after they went and saw Saving Private Ryan. heck, who couldn't?

a couple of years later my grand dad diied. i remember sitting in the hospital room while he was fighting for his life. there was my grandmother, my uncle and aunt and my dad near the door. i was then about 36.

what stood out was that for the first time in years, that side of my family were all together at the same time and were close again. and i thought back to my letter. what if i had never said what i said? i think it was a ripple effect of reconciling with my dad and it freed him up to do the same.

called my dad yesterday for his 65th and left him this voicemail. " hey man, just wanted to wish the coolest hermit i know a happy birthday. now you can get cheaper coffee and shoplift with out any jail time. i love you."

#37 Kevin Greene

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:04 PM

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#38 CarolinaNCSU

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:35 AM

Same issue and it's starting to bother me more and more as we both get older. He's also a smoker who hasn't been to a doctor for even a physical in probably 10 years, and he's 52 now, so who knows if time is on my side or not.

Growing up, he never missed a ballgame or anything like that, but he works constantly. I'm talking 16 hours a day, and when he's home and awake for more than 2 hours, he talks about work or complains about politics or something clearly ridiculous that we would fight over anyway. He's always given me what I needed and more, but I honestly can't remember the last "real" conversation had. He asks about school, he's talked to me about taking over his business, etc., but those conversations are typically one sided and few and far between. I don't have a relationship with my brother either, and essentially only talk to my mom about things and it's always bothered me, but never been fixed. Something I need to work on.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:52 AM

my father disowned me and boycotted my wedding... when i call my mom he pretends not to know who i am when he picks up the phone

my father-in-law, however, is a damn fine fellow and fills in quite nicely.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:56 AM

man there are some heavy-duty daddy issues in this thread

#41 Darth Biscuit

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:01 AM

my father disowned me and boycotted my wedding... when i call my mom he pretends not to know who i am when he picks up the phone

my father-in-law, however, is a damn fine fellow and fills in quite nicely.


Is this b/c of the religion thing?

#42 Doyle

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:02 AM

man there are some heavy-duty daddy issues in this thread


Maybe we should all be strippers.

#43 SOJA

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:16 AM

did you disagree a lot growing up? me and my dad are identical in personality and stubbornness- therefore we get along swimmingly or not at all. Thankfully as I've matured, we get along great 99% of the time we are together.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:22 AM

I hear ya Kurb. Dealing with dads can be difficult.

I think the best thing we can do is learn from it in how we relate to our sons. I am open and honest and willing to listen to them at any point. I hug them every day and let them know they are loved. Thats our most important job, imo.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:28 AM

I have two girls but still a dad. I say the biggest thing we can do for our kids is say I'm sorry or I was wrong. That will endear them to you as much as a big trip or what have you.
That will help them feel like you are approachable which is huge in he teen years.


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