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#91 Salvo

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

Thank you! Might I add, Cam is not a gifted passer. Cam is not gonna dissect an offense by taking what the defense give him. He is a call-a-play-make-a-play in the passing game guy. Now you take away his design runs. Come on, now! Even Cam said it himself that if he were a great passer like Brees he'd stay in the pocket and throw darts all day. Although I am paraphrasing. That is NOT good, I tell ya.


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Yes. If he was a great passer like Bress, I certainly would want him to sit in the pocket all day and rip other defenses up.

Why limit him to an average passer? Why can't he get better?

He had Shula as a QB coach for fug's sake. His main issue is his footwork which is very correctable by someone who has had experience in the position and has coached the fundamentals for a living. Get that footwork down and everything else will fall into place.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't use his legs as a weapon. But sooner than later, other teams will catch on and shut it down. You'll see that happen to RGII (if he is healthy), Wilson, Kaep, etc next year.

He's going into his 3rd year as a NFL QB. He'll improve as a passer.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

Thank you! Might I add, Cam is not a gifted passer. Cam is not gonna dissect an offense by taking what the defense give him. He is a call-a-play-make-a-play in the passing game guy. Now you take away his design runs. Come on, now! Even Cam said it himself that if he were a great passer like Brees he'd stay in the pocket and throw darts all day. Although I am paraphrasing. That is NOT good, I tell ya.


Well now you're just talking out of your ass and making poo up.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

Ya think that assessment will change if Flacco wins the Superbowl and Kaep gets hit so hard that his spine flies out of his ass-pipe?

Nobody says Kaep won't have a bad game in his life time. Everybody do. But he'll have more great games where he doesn't get hit hard. Kaep is a big dude, playing for a great organization behind a great OL. That's not gonna happen. They have a game plan unlike the panthers. But wishfull thinking though.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:22 PM

There are people who are going to want to see the read-option as our primary running play no matter what. Those people think Cam is invincible, think Cam will never get hit hard enough to get hurt doing so, and don't understand the difference between an OL blocking when they don't know where the ball is going vs when they do. Their opinion isn't going to change if Kaep gets obliterated - they'll just respond with "but Cam FREAKIN Newton BRAH" and repeat the same arguments for not cutting down on the amount of the option we use (particularly the first part of the season).

Unfortunately I'm also slowly deciding that they can't be reasoned with. Probably for the best where my own sanity is concerned.

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You make the read option sounds like the QB is running on every play. NO. The QB can play an entire game and NEVER keeps on the read option at all. The QB can keep giving or going on play action all day. But the threat is always there. Why would an offense with that luxury eliminate even the threat? I don't get it.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:23 PM

I don't even understand how any of you can argue a word the guy said...he's absolutely right

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:23 PM

If you are going to pull random quotes why not from the guy we are actually talking about??

I didn't realize you defined random quotes as quotes directly pertinent to my point. And actually, I don't think I was talking about Cam Newton(you'll see neither direct or indirect reference to him in my post), rather I was addressing the general misconception of why blindside hits are bad(they're bad because they offer the QB no chance to escape them, not because they are more likely to injure him).

Regardless, all that that quote is indicating is that Cam Newton prefers to try and use his athleticism to either soften the blow, or escape it all together. I don't think you'll find many guys who will say they would rather not see the tackler rather than seeing the tackler and trying to make a move to avoid it or lessen it; that does not however mean that a blindside tackler is more likely to injure the passer, because quite frankly, he's not.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

Thank you! Might I add, Cam is not a gifted passer. Cam is not gonna dissect an offense by taking what the defense give him. He is a call-a-play-make-a-play in the passing game guy. Now you take away his design runs. Come on, now! Even Cam said it himself that if he were a great passer like Brees he'd stay in the pocket and throw darts all day. Although I am paraphrasing. That is NOT good, I tell ya.


I find these type of statements Ironic, considering you can argue, that Cam is advanced as any two year QB in league history (outside of Dan Marino and some others) with his passing. And I'm not just talking about stats. I'm speaking about his pocket presence, accuracy, down field throwing and big play ability. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was Cam.

Do you realize that QB's like John Elway absolutely sucked his first few years when he had the responsibly to carry the load like Cam (and so many others). We won't even get into Peyton's first season and all his INT's, nor the famous early struggles of his 2X superbowl winning brother in NY, who wasn't half the QB Cam is now at the same stage.

And please don't bring up guys like Flacco, Big Ben, Kaepernick etc., cause all those guys don't have to shoulder the load for their team the way Cam does. They're protected. And of course Aaron Rogers and other similar greats, sat down behind other great QB's their first few years. Cam was thrown right into the fire (with one year BSC experience to boot), and has accounted quite well for himself. The sky's the limit. And the rest is on Cam to get better, and his team to surround him with 'Big Ole Man', play makers and touch down makers!

Give Cam a chance to develop more, and benefit from a better offensive line, run game and play calling this year and in the future, before you set the guys career in stone.

And that comment by Cam, was more him paying Dapp to Bree's and those other guys, as well showing how much harder he was willing to work to get where they're at.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

read option set up to throws for Griffen....despite his comp % he has not wow'd as a passer. He throws screens and the same route to the TE over the middle all game every game. Read option sets up his predictable passing game.

What amazes me is that it's almost a free play if the receivers catch the ball. And we have the ability to do it too, now they're telling me they're scratching it off our playbook. That's irritating. I know somebody's getting fired next year.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

Kaepernick ran the read option all game against Atl.

Never ran while using it once

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

What amazes me is that it's almost a free play if the receivers catch the ball. And we have the ability to do it too, now they're telling me they're scratching it off our playbook. That's irritating. I know somebody's getting fired next year.


No one is saying to scrap the read option. Quit being such a dense sonofabitch.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

What amazes me is that it's almost a free play if the receivers catch the ball. And we have the ability to do it too, now they're telling me they're scratching it off our playbook. That's irritating. I know somebody's getting fired next year.


With all due respect to Griffin: If you watch Cam and RG3 play, Cam is the much better pocket/drop back QB (including Cam's rookie season).

As discussed, RG3 created most of his passing off Read Option fakes, play action, misdirection, motion, etc., cause of their strong run game. And most of his throws were one read/one zone quick slants, bubble screens and even their occasional down field passing was of similar make up.

RG3 wasn't asked to do much. There's a reason why both he, Alex Smith and Kaepernick's QB ratings are similar. They are/were well managed.

Obviously, the Panthers (until shown otherwise), believe that Cam is already a pocket QB, who should be able to get better at it, who can also run a RO here and there as well break containment when the opportunity presents itself. Just the threat of the Read Option will help Cam. And I don't think the Panthers will take that element away from him. If anything, Chud screwed it up early last year by constantly shoving the read option down the oppositions throat, though it became quite predictable in the Panthers frequency of usage and their particular Shot Gun alignment.

How they used Cam during his rookie season (similar to what they did the last 7 games of 2012), with more Under Center, Pistol, I formation, 2 TE sets with limited Read Option out of the Shot Gun--with the adjacent back--formations was perfect, until proven otherwise.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

If you are going to pull random quotes why not from the guy we are actually talking about??

I also think the bad OL play has something to do with the way he feels.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

4 starting QBs run the read option....3 of 4 were in the postseason. He ignored that tidbit.

exactly what i said a couple posts earlier

10/28 teams in NFL that don't use the option made playoffs = .280%
3/4 teams in NFL that do use the option made the playoffs = .750%

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:42 PM

We do not need the read-option as our base offense, it's time for Cam to become a complete QB. The read-option play-action was fuging up his mechanics, and Chud failed to realize that. Or the fact he needs more help with passing the ball in the red-zone, I have no problem with us ditching it our base.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

hey blueboy got anymore antiquated racist anthro theory to spew in this thread too?


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