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#11 Matthias

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 08:52 PM

Won't be accurate until they stop casting Caucasians to fill African and middle eastern roles


I agree. That was really one of the first things I noticed about the film. People have been doing movies about the Bible for a long time, and I've yet to see people of middle-eastern descent portray these characters. I wonder sometimes about that. Yet guess what, I've come to find out that Samson in this particular mini series, is black. So yeah, this film is definitely not accurate.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 08:54 PM

Here's a trailer of the film




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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:45 PM

I agree. That was really one of the first things I noticed about the film. People have been doing movies about the Bible for a long time, and I've yet to see people of middle-eastern descent portray these characters. I wonder sometimes about that. Yet guess what, I've come to find out that Samson in this particular mini series, is black. So yeah, this film is definitely not accurate.



"The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of it's original color, while retaining none the less the imprint of it's original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face (referring to The Sphinx) is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest to or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of the people."

-Anthropologist, Count Constatin de Volney

In reference to Samson being black. Nearly all persons in the bible described as Hebrew would likely have been African black until the very height of the Roman Empire. Interesting how the only non-black Africans live exactly within the boundaries of the old Roman Empire



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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

*Man talks to a burning bush*

"This is SOOOOO inaccurate, none of these guys are middle eastern. Don't they care about realism?"

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:40 PM

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But, Ancient Astronaut theory could actually be viewed as having more historical evidence.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:00 AM

Even hoping to one day have a video game based on the Bible. ^_^


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:11 AM

Even hoping to one day have a video game based on the Bible. ^_^








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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:38 AM

"The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of it's original color, while retaining none the less the imprint of it's original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face (referring to The Sphinx) is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest to or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of the people."

-Anthropologist, Count Constatin de Volney

In reference to Samson being black. Nearly all persons in the bible described as Hebrew would likely have been African black until the very height of the Roman Empire. Interesting how the only non-black Africans live exactly within the boundaries of the old Roman Empire



The people in north Africa back then and now are a mix of arabic and black african peoples. Now the desert seperates the south part of Africa from the north, and it's in sub-sahara africa where most people of darker skin live. So north Africa was pretty much part of the middle-east in terms of ethnicity, only Ethopia mostly had people of darker skin. (Back then Nubia if I'm not mistaken) So the people of ancient Egypt were mostly of arabic origin, but there was really a mix there.

As for Samson and the Hebrew people, there defintiely almost purely of middle-eastern descent. Abraham came from the land of Ur, which we believe is modern day Iran if I'm not mistaken again. The only way for black african people to have been part of the Israelites, is when they came up in the mix multitude that left with Israel during the Exodus. Yet then, they weren't of sub-saharan skin tone, but mostly mix. I seriously doubt Samson was black.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:45 AM







Welcome to 20 years ago!


I have bigger plans then that. I want to help develop a game that portrays the Bible accurately (just like I want with a movie), so it will have a mature rating to it. Now I grew up as a gamer, just like many of us young guys and girls, so I don't want to put out a sorry project, but a game everyone will enjoy. I would like to talk with the guys who made "Shadow of the Colossus" and see if they can help with the design of the game, particulary with battles such as with Goliath and all his brothers. That's the kind of stuff I'm thinking on. For my brethren, I want them to know and be excited for what they believe in, and for the world, at the very least they will have a great game to play.

Now of course, I'm also interested in scientific work. To present a complete model of the world as Genesis describes because as I said before in previous topics in the past, we have a bedtime story view of Genesis. We say science rules out this bedtime story, but the bedtime story isn't accurate to what Genesis is saying. So I have all these dreams I'm thinking on, and they are exciting.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 11:46 AM

The people in north Africa back then and now are a mix of arabic and black african peoples. Now the desert seperates the south part of Africa from the north, and it's in sub-sahara africa where most people of darker skin live. So north Africa was pretty much part of the middle-east in terms of ethnicity, only Ethopia mostly had people of darker skin. (Back then Nubia if I'm not mistaken) So the people of ancient Egypt were mostly of arabic origin, but there was really a mix there.

As for Samson and the Hebrew people, there defintiely almost purely of middle-eastern descent. Abraham came from the land of Ur, which we believe is modern day Iran if I'm not mistaken again. The only way for black african people to have been part of the Israelites, is when they came up in the mix multitude that left with Israel during the Exodus. Yet then, they weren't of sub-saharan skin tone, but mostly mix. I seriously doubt Samson was black.


When speaking of ancient people, we commonly mix scripture with history. But lets separate them for a second.

The scripture tells us that the Hebrew people originated in and around what is now southern Israel and moved to Egypt at the behest of Jacob to escape famine. Meaning they originated in what is now Jordan and northern Saudi Arabia.

In the Bible there are many references to how the Hebrew/Israelites were often mistaken for or looked like Egyptians.

Acts 21:38 Paul mistaken for an Egyptian

Exodus 2:16-19 The priest of Midian speaking to his daughters about Moses watering their flock.

Matthew 2:13 Angel of the Lord tells Joseph to take Jesus and Mary and hide in Egypt.

So now to history. There is no record of who the Iraelites were until after the Exodus, but the wars fought along the way to Jerusalem are well documented.

Now when people think of a middle eastern man or woman they think of what they see today on tv. Light-brown skinned people with generally straight black hair. We agree that they were in Egypt and that they looked like Egyptians or middle easterners but how did the people of the area describe themselves

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These are all pictures from the time of Seti I who is commonly recognized as the pharoah of the old testament. Now the Egyptians had a great ability to mix colors and could have easily described themselves as lighter skinned people if they so chose as evidenced by the the instances of both very dark and very light people throughout all their artwork. But when they describe themselves the use that deep brown tone. Post Roman Empire saw a different mix of colors in the artwork.

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That was how the middle easterners described themselves.

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Below are pictures of modern Ethiopians and modern Egyptians that do not live near Cairo.
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Think about it. It is commonly accepted that Black people are black because of a reaction to the Sun causing an increase in melanin. Well the middle east is among the hottest and most sun drenched place on earth. It would not be possible for a lighter skinned race to survive without relatively modern comforts or ways to protect themselves from the sun. They would burn up and likely die out from cancer in just a few generations.

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