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Kentucky Shooting: Boy, 5, Shoots And Kills 2-Year-Old Sister, Police Say


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#91 cookinwithgas

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:01 PM

Yes I hate the new quote GUI, you have me there.

 

Accidents happen to the most careful people.

 

This kind of accident does not happen to the most careful people. A little kid got access to a loaded weapon.

 

To reduce the risk of this, you require gun insurance that requires that you agree to keep your weapon locked up, unloaded, etc. If a child is found to have access to a weapon, loaded or unloaded, it's a crime and the owner goes to jail or loses their ability to legally own a gun.

 

No it won't stop this from happening. But it will reduce the chances of it happening. As people around here are fond of saying, criminals break the law and law abiding gun owners do not, so if it's a law they will tend to abide by it, right? So this lessens the chances of this happening.

 

And this is all the right headed people in the US want, to make things safer and reduce the amount of times things like this happen. I'm getting a bit tired of the semantic absolutism around here.

 

 



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:02 PM

as an addendum I'm not sure which of the "common sense" solutions often talked about would have actually prevented this, though.  It's just an irresponsible parent.

 

...Maybe charging the parent with manslaughter since they're the gun owner?  I dunno.  I think that you could prevent a lot of this stuff with the right kind of regulation of ownership and the right kind of responsibility for anything done with the weapon, though.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:09 PM

Your inability to quote notwithstanding, how exactly are you going to solve the dumbass idea that "children are sacrificing their lives for the second amendment" without an outright ban on guns? Unless you're completely oblivious to real life, accidents happen even to the most careful people.

 

That was sarcasm, not problem solving.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...ting/index.html

 

 

But since you bring it up, it's this nutty "gun culture" itself that caused this - some overzealous dad wanting to get his little kid into guns at a young age:

 


The Crickett website features three .22-caliber rifle models for kids, with shoulder stock colors ranging from pink to red, white and blue swirls. "My first rifle" is the company's slogan.

Family members Wednesday described the shooting as an accident.

"He just picked (the gun) up before he realized it," grandmother Linda Riddle told WLEX.

Riddle said her granddaughter enjoyed singing and playing outdoors, and she loved her brother.

"It's just tragic," uncle David Mann told the CNN affiliate. "It's something that you can't prepare for."

Riddle said she is devastated, but comforted knowing that her granddaughter is in a better place.

"It was God's will. It was her time to go, I guess," she told WLEX. "I just know she's in heaven right now and I know she's in good hands with the Lord."

Caroline Sparks' death comes after two other incidents in recent months involving young children shooting others. In early April, a 4-year-old boy in Tennessee shot and killed a 48-year-old woman, and just days later, 6-year-old Brandon Holt was killed in New Jersey after being shot in the head by his 4-year-old playmate.

 

But they come in fun to shoot colors!



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:08 PM

Yes I hate the new quote GUI, you have me there.
 
Accidents happen to the most careful people.
 
This kind of accident does not happen to the most careful people. A little kid got access to a loaded weapon.
 
To reduce the risk of this, you require gun insurance that requires that you agree to keep your weapon locked up, unloaded, etc. If a child is found to have access to a weapon, loaded or unloaded, it's a crime and the owner goes to jail or loses their ability to legally own a gun.
 
No it won't stop this from happening. But it will reduce the chances of it happening. As people around here are fond of saying, criminals break the law and law abiding gun owners do not, so if it's a law they will tend to abide by it, right? So this lessens the chances of this happening.
 
And this is all the right headed people in the US want, to make things safer and reduce the amount of times things like this happen. I'm getting a bit tired of the semantic absolutism around here.


I'm not being an absolutist, I hate that, and as I've stated I have no problem with common sense measures (training, insurance requirements, background checks, etc.) But my point is that nothing you pass re guns is going to stop simple accidents.

I disagree about the "gun nut culture" you reference. Shooting is a legitimate passtime just as golfing, fishing or insert sport/hobby is. Just because you don't do it doesnt make it nutty.

Obviously people can take anything too far, and I agree that giving a 5 yo a rifle is stupid, esp if you allow them unsupervised access to it.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:04 PM

Yeah I read about little kids getting golf clubbed to death all the time.

 

I used to shoot. I used to teach shooting. In the military. One day someone put a steel belted radial out at the far end of the range and a bullet came back and nicked a guys ear. Luckily the chief was out teaching that day and not me. I would get to shoot off any extra rounds so we didn't have to return them to the ammo dump, so I'd shoot .45, 12 ga shotgun and M14 @ 2 times a week.

 

Shooting as a passtime, great, but not for 5 year olds. That IS nutty and you can't spin it any other way.

 

I already said that these ideas aren't going to stop all accidents. It can help stop some accidents. Just like background checks are not going to stop all the people that should not own guns from owning them. Everyone here seems well aware of these simple truths, but they are so simple, so common sense, so rational, that the only way to argue against them is to tie them to another conspiracy theory.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:46 PM

Want to shoot? There's something called a shooting range.

Most people would never dream of hitting a golf ball with a driver in their backyard in a populated area, yet yahoos have no issue shooting at targets at trees on their acre and a half lot.

Personally, growing up in the country and seeing how poorly the general populace handles their guns, I'm amazed there aren't more accidental shootings than there are.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:27 AM

 

"It was God's will. It was her time to go, I guess," she told WLEX. "I just know she's in heaven right now and I know she's in good hands with the Lord."

 

 

 

see god wanted it to happen. god wants people to have guns. sometimes the dice just roll as they will



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:02 AM

Praise the Lord and pass the Obama Socialist Killin Hollowpoint Ammunition.

 

Would Jesus have carried an AR-15 or AK-47?

 

j/k despite its ruggedness, simplicity and its popularity on the West Bank the AK-47 is a godless socialist tool



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:08 AM

Yeah I read about little kids getting golf clubbed to death all the time.[\quote]

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about that makes it hard to even discuss this issue with you...

 
 
 
 

I used to shoot. I used to teach shooting. In the military. One day someone put a steel belted radial out at the far end of the range and a bullet came back and nicked a guys ear. Luckily the chief was out teaching that day and not me. I would get to shoot off any extra rounds so we didn't have to return them to the ammo dump, so I'd shoot .45, 12 ga shotgun and M14 @ 2 times a week.
 
Shooting as a pass time, great, but not for 5 year olds. That IS nutty and you can't spin it any other way.
 
I already said that these ideas aren't going to stop all accidents. It can help stop some accidents. Just like background checks are not going to stop all the people that should not own guns from owning them. Everyone here seems well aware of these simple truths, but they are so simple, so common sense, so rational, that the only way to argue against them is to tie them to another conspiracy theory.


...and you and I are agreeing on some of this, but you're being disingenuous if you are truly trying to make me believe that you were saying "gun nuts" based solely on people letting 5 year olds have guns. Obviously that in and of itself is nutty, I agree... but the "gun culture" in general, while there are certainly "nuts" as in any group, is not all nutty like you and Delhommey say.


Edit- My apologies for ragging on you about the quoting thing... this new interface sucks ass. Apparently it automatically adds quote tags whether you want it to or not :(

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:22 AM

The first gun I bought my wife was a Crickett .22... She's graduated to a shotgun and a handgun now...

The Crickett is a bolt action single shot rifle with a springloaded hammer that you have to pull back before it can shoot...

I haven't read all the details for this story yet but, not only was the parent negligent enough to leave the rifle within reach of the child, but had also either apparently left it loaded and cocked, or at least instructed the child how to do so...

 

 



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:29 AM

Want to shoot? There's something called a shooting range.

Most people would never dream of hitting a golf ball with a driver in their backyard in a populated area, yet yahoos have no issue shooting at targets at trees on their acre and a half lot.

Personally, growing up in the country and seeing how poorly the general populace handles their guns, I'm amazed there aren't more accidental shootings than there are.

Case in point was at Carowinds when a 4yr old girl was killed by a stray bullet by some guys shooting at coke cans inthe woods.

Also my little girl's elementary school had to go on lockdown during recess bc a few shotguns went off in the woods right behind the school..of course a lot of deer and wild turkey roam these woods but...um..a .school with kids needs to be protected from a bunch of bubbas in the 'flage shooting at Obama Zombie targets..and no not by arming the teachers.

And c'mon the father bought this gun for his son from a company that markets to youth "My First Rifle" which just closed their website and make me insane with rage that this ever existed! Ban guns...no

Add background checks sure..ban selling or using a rifle to anyone in single digit ages..YES!

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

When I was back at home at my parents Christmas morning, I went outside and could hear some white trash jackoff testing out his new Christmas present in the woods, which by the sound and rate of fire was most likely some type of semi auto rifle.

 

It's rural out there, but most people have acre to 2 acre lots. Nobody has any business shooting a weapon with a 400-600 yard range into the woods.

 

And yes, I grew up with a 12 gauge shotgun and a .22 locked away in the basement, so I recognize there are "good" gun owners out there. Thing is, the nature of the weapon dictates that it only takes one moron. And trust me, there's no shortage of morons in the world.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:16 PM

That is stupid... but let me know when you can legislate the stupid out of people.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:42 PM

Instead let's give them access to any old firearm they'd like. 

 

You can't legislate against stupid, but you sure as hell don't allow stupid people to have stupid multipliers. 



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:44 PM

I thought the gun this kid used was purchased legally?




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