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Best Answer PiratePanther189, 06 October 2013 - 10:08 PM

Here's the problem. What do you do now? You've got Ginn who appears to actually be reliable over the middle which could be huge in gameplans...but Olsen has had the dropsies although he's still one of the best, LaFell has the dropsies, and Smitty is really showing that he's lost a step more than we ever imagined. We don't really have that big play threat anymore...Olsen isn't a big play threat, he's a nickel and dime move the chains guy.

 

Unfortunately, this team is going to have to rely on Cam's running ability, and Shula just refuses to use that. He has coached Cam away from running for months now.

 

We have to find a happy medium. What Chud was doing, and what Shula has been doing. In between, and in my opinion we've got a somewhat MAYBE respectable offense.

 

Let Cam make plays, move him around, and SPREAD THE FIELD. Cam doesn't work well in bunch formations that has become very apparent. He's a big, spread offense quarterback.

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#16 TheRed

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:36 PM

Yes he did well on the first drive but it was downhill after that.


Yes, combination of things led to that downward spiral. Started with the drops. Without them, Cam would have been 10/10 with a TD.

Those picks later were definitely on him, but you could tell his confidence took a dip after that first drive. He tried to do too much.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:40 PM

Yes, combination of things led to that downward spiral. Started with the drops. Without them, Cam would have been 10/10 with a TD.

Those picks later were definitely on him, but you could tell his confidence took a dip after that first drive. He tried to do too much.

 

Had Barner, LaFell and Smitty not dropped those passes, Cam would've boasted a 66% completion rate today. Newton made mistakes but he wasn't inaccurate today. Those missed opportunities were confidence killers.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:41 PM

Newton's known issues:

 

- Inconsistency

- Holding the ball too long

- Footwork and mechanics

- Starts well, finishes poorly

- Sometimes stares down or forces the ball to receivers

 

Breaking each one down...

 

Inconsistency: You're never gonna solve that with a gunslinger QB.  You can minimize it, but you'll never get rid of it.

 

Holding the ball too long: That's on Newton.  He just has to learn to make his decisions more quickly.

 

Footwork and mechanics: Coaching issue mainly.  Lack of good OL play will reinforce bad habits and make this worse if you don't fix it.  The longer it goes on the less chance you have of correcting it.

 

Starts well, finishes poorly: Also primarily on Newton, but coaching is big here too.  Most gunslingers are slow starters who get better late in the game (i.e. 4th quarter comebacks) but newton is the opposite.

 

Sometimes stares down or forces the ball to receivers: Another coaching issue.

 

 



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

Cam is surrounded in 2013 by less talent than he was at Auburn in 2010.  That is the problem.  I don't even care anymore.  I am like the guy in the old cell phone commercial.

 

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:57 PM

Cam is an average QB and it's time we all accept that. 



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:00 PM

Sad to say but Payton and Belichick would have implemented an offense around Newton's strengths and made him unstoppable by now.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:02 PM

Cam is an average QB and it's time we all accept that. 

 

And Tom Brady was a game manager until Belichick built an offense around him.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:04 PM

And Tom Brady was a game manager until Belichick built an offense around him.

Yeah but Cam can't even manage the game...misses easy throws one game...throws the ball to a double covered Smith for INT's the next..That type of management will put you out of business quick..as Ron is figuring out.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:04 PM

And Tom Brady was a game manager until Belichick built an offense around him.

 

Well, if Cam Newton was as good as Tom Brady you'd have a point.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:05 PM

Cam Newton has 9 games in which he had a QB rating lower than 70.

 

That's 1 in every 4 games.

 

We are 1-8 in those games.

 

Absolutely unacceptable. 

 

EDIT: 12 games under 75 rating....16 under 80 rating....

 

EDIT #2:  he's actually had 6 games under 60 rating....1 in every 6.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:41 PM

Yeah but Cam can't even manage the game...misses easy throws one game...throws the ball to a double covered Smith for INT's the next..That type of management will put you out of business quick..as Ron is figuring out.

 

You keep trying to paint Cam as inaccurate, and yet he would have easily completed 69% of his passes had Smitty, Barner, and LaFell came to play today.

 

Sorry, but if Harbaugh can win 19 games with Alex Smith, then Rivera can win with a more talented QB in Cam Newton.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:43 PM

Cam Newton has 9 games in which he had a QB rating lower than 70.

 

That's 1 in every 4 games.

 

We are 1-8 in those games.

 

Absolutely unacceptable. 

 

EDIT: 12 games under 75 rating....16 under 80 rating....

 

EDIT #2:  he's actually had 6 games under 60 rating....1 in every 6.

 

Kaepernick had a rating of 38 and yet his team won by 31 points.

 

Your logic isn't as sound as you think.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:47 PM

You keep trying to paint Cam as inaccurate, and yet he would have easily completed 69% of his passes had Smitty, Barner, and LaFell came to play today.

 

Sorry, but if Harbaugh can win 19 games with Alex Smith, then Rivera can win with a more talented QB in Cam Newton.

 

What is his career completion percentage for 3rd and 5+? Those are the first downs that good QB's get...the others don't really matter. FTR it may be great compared to other QB's or really bad IDK.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:53 PM

Cam need to learn to have a mental pocket time where he decides in less than 3 sec whether he is gonna throw it or run.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:54 PM

Kaepernick had a rating of 38 and yet his team won by 31 points.

 

Your logic isn't as sound as you think.

 

Kaepernick needs to prove that he can be something other than a read option / pistol style QB.

 

If he can't do that, I don't think he'll last.
 




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