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#11 teeray

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:38 AM

Good play by Keek. Playing his man. They usually allow a little more physicality on last second plays, but Gronk was no where near the ball. I didn't even realize he was the one Brady was throwing to.

Gronk never made a play on the ball so Keek was face guarding him and was going to react to what Gronk did.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:40 AM

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I love me some Keeks, but he made a dumb play against Gronk.  Not only should he have been penalized, it would have been better for him and the team in the long run to been penalized.  Why do I say that?  This is not the first time I seen Kuechly mug a good tight end in the endzone.  What I saw last night was almost a mirror image of what he did to Gonzalez when we played the Falcons.  Someone said that Kuechly made a similar play against the Bills, but I can't confirm that and yet I also wouldn't doubt it.  It's clear now that this style of play is instinctual, and that is not good for us in the long run.

 

 

Kuechly should have been penalized, and that would have taught him to stop that kind of play.  For one, it wasn't even necessary.  We all know Brady has to throw the ball in the endzone, and we all calculated that Gronk was Brady's go-to-guy.  You drop seven guys in coverage, meaning you aren't the only one to defend the pass.  Why are you wrapping up and bear hugging the guy, not even a hint of attempt at actually playing the ball?  That drives me crazy because Kuechly was actually in better position to intercept the pass himself had he played the ball.  Why am I so mad that the refs picked the flag up?  For one, it does in a way cheapen the game overall.  I know the Patriots had a lot of dirty plays and they might have deserved for the refs to look the other way on that last play, but I want my team to play honorably regardless.  I want to win without any excuse from the other side.  That we were the best team last night through and through.  Them picking up the flag kind of cheapened that for me.  Secondly, Kuechly will now move on without changing his thought on how to cover a good tight end in the endzone.  Eventually that play will catch up.  I much rather would have been penalized last night and dealt with the consequences (one of them being Kuechly learn from this and begin playing the ball), than Kuechly doing something like this in the playoffs and it ends up costing us the game then.

 

 

How many of you believe Rivera got on Kuechly for that play last night?  How many of you believe Kuechly is mentally checking himself right now and correct himself?  Maybe those two things happened, I don't know.  Yet I'm not as confident those two things happened now, because Kuechly wasn't penalized.  Had he been penalized, those two things would have gotten done and trust me, they need to get done.

Enjoy the win .. think the refs were in position to make what they thought was the right call.Why are you not bitching about the leg whip on Johnson or Talib grabbing Smittys face mask?



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:40 AM

It was uncatchable. Therefore no PI or holding.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:41 AM

I love me some Keeks, but he made a dumb play against Gronk.  Not only should he have been penalized, it would have been better for him and the team in the long run to been penalized.  Why do I say that?  This is not the first time I seen Kuechly mug a good tight end in the endzone.  What I saw last night was almost a mirror image of what he did to Gonzalez when we played the Falcons.  Someone said that Kuechly made a similar play against the Bills, but I can't confirm that and yet I also wouldn't doubt it.  It's clear now that this style of play is instinctual, and that is not good for us in the long run.

 

 

Kuechly should have been penalized, and that would have taught him to stop that kind of play.  For one, it wasn't even necessary.  We all know Brady has to throw the ball in the endzone, and we all calculated that Gronk was Brady's go-to-guy.  You drop seven guys in coverage, meaning you aren't the only one to defend the pass.  Why are you wrapping up and bear hugging the guy, not even a hint of attempt at actually playing the ball?  That drives me crazy because Kuechly was actually in better position to intercept the pass himself had he played the ball.  Why am I so mad that the refs picked the flag up?  For one, it does in a way cheapen the game overall.  I know the Patriots had a lot of dirty plays and they might have deserved for the refs to look the other way on that last play, but I want my team to play honorably regardless.  I want to win without any excuse from the other side.  That we were the best team last night through and through.  Them picking up the flag kind of cheapened that for me.  Secondly, Kuechly will now move on without changing his thought on how to cover a good tight end in the endzone.  Eventually that play will catch up.  I much rather would have been penalized last night and dealt with the consequences (one of them being Kuechly learn from this and begin playing the ball), than Kuechly doing something like this in the playoffs and it ends up costing us the game then.

 

 

How many of you believe Rivera got on Kuechly for that play last night?  How many of you believe Kuechly is mentally checking himself right now and correct himself?  Maybe those two things happened, I don't know.  Yet I'm not as confident those two things happened now, because Kuechly wasn't penalized.  Had he been penalized, those two things would have gotten done and trust me, they need to get done.

 

First off, whatever bear hug you saw happen outside of the goal line. Grun overan his play and Kuechly was right with him. You could see from the tape that Kuechly and Grunt so called hug happened outside of the endzone and the ball was like 6 feet infront of him.

 

Answer me this question, do you think if Cam was on the other side of the throw instead of Brady the media would have been carrying on the way they are? If you answer is NO, then there is no controversy. We cannot keep living and judging every outcome of a game based on the mindset and attitudes of those who believe they are the gate-keepers to the NFL.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:42 AM

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Lol at NE not expecting the refs to let the players play on the last play of the game.

I've never seen a bigger group of entitled arrogant douche nozzles.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:43 AM

Good play by Keek. Playing his man. They usually allow a little more physicality on last second plays, but Gronk was no where near the ball. I didn't even realize he was the one Brady was throwing to

 

 

Luke was guarding him much like a basketball player would and was very careful not to grab him with his hands. 



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:46 AM

What if this was the other way around?  What if Cam was throwing to Olsen, and he was wrapped up?  How would you feel then?  Yet even if you believed the right call was made, what if Brady threw it in the range of Gronk?  Kuechly still bear hugged him without even attempting to play the ball. (Which would have drawn a sure flag)  Kuechly messed up point blank.  Yet as I said before, I wouldn't even make a thread like this if this was an isolated incident.  Kuechly is becoming known for this kind of coverage against good tight ends.  This will bite us in the butt eventually.

 

It wasn't flag worthy.

 

 

If it came down to it,  the Pats would have done the same thing to Olsen and it wouldn't have been called either..           Pats beat the Falcons and the Saints by doing the same thing.    The difference being,  Brady underthrew the ball,  making it uncatchable and letting our guy jump it and get the interception,  making Kuechly's "mugging" of Gronk,  not flag worthy. 

 

 



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:46 AM

If you want to know what is going on just watch Gronk. He didn't complain or yell at the ref. He was resigned to losing the game until the flag comes out.

It looks worse in slow motion, but if you look at it in fast motion Gronk cannot make that catch. It would have been an under thrown pick regardless.

It was the right call and Keek did fine

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:54 AM

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i can't understand looking at a win of this magnitude and finding something to complain about....unless you didn't want the panthers to win.

 

pull the corn cob out of your ass and enjoy the win. there is no downside to it. there are no asterisk wins. the pats have gotten away with non-calls and cheating for years. are we on the other side of that finally? did we get away with something big in the end? if so...WHOO HOOO!!!! the pats got a taste of their own medicine. but right now who cares? WE BEAT THE PATS AFTER A BYE WEEK ON MNF!!!! WE'VE WON 6 STRAIGHT GAMES!

 

milk it.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:55 AM

Good play by Keek. Playing his man. They usually allow a little more physicality on last second plays, but Gronk was no where near the ball. I didn't even realize he was the one Brady was throwing to.

Gronk never made a play on the ball so Keek was face guarding him and was going to react to what Gronk did.

 

Thank you!!! This is a made for tv BS because Brady lost to a lesser team.

 

We all know how twisted the psychology of those who work for the Sports Media can be. If it was Cam who threw that ball, the headlines would be, Pats won a THRILLING come from behind game or something like that. Those same folks who are crying like babies over some fake controversy, would be replaying the highlights and saying exactly what you're saying. Not only was the ball not catchable but both the guys were out of bounds and the ball was way short.

 

They're acting like Refs never picked back up flags after they throw them. Even worst is, they acting like it's never been done at the end of games.

 

But what do you expect. This is ESPN/NFLN where how they see these games is how everyone esle should see them.




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