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Franchise Tag rules explained (hopefully)

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So if a team has already traded their first round pick we would get the pick from the following two seasons, yes?

 
So far as I can tell, it absolutely has to be the two drafts following the trade. The rules aren't very clear on whether or not a team without a first round pick in the next draft would be barred from entering negotiations. It could be that the team only has to give up the next two first rounders it has original rights to, or it could be that if a team does not have original rights to its next two consecutive first round picks at the time of the deal then they can't deal. So, this could mean that Washington and Indy can't talk to Hardy until after this year's draft, or it means those teams have to be willing to give up an even greater piece of their future than they already have in order to do so.

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I think you can offer the player up for any draft pick you want, so I think you can just offer a first rounder and nothing else on top of it to increase the chance of another team going after the player

Don't know how to make this any more clear: If the player is tagged with the non-exclusive tag, it's two first rounders with no negotiating. There can be negotiations after that deal, but the offering team has to give up its next two consecutive original first round draft picks. If it's the exclusive tag, then the offer of picks can be whatever the teams agree on, but it's unlikely any team would enter that deal because the money is greater and there's no guarantee of a long term deal.

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you missed transition tag

 

blaaaaaarg

Meant to edit earlier. Better?

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meh....there's more to it than that. It lets the market set the price instead of us...which is what we should have done with a number of our players.

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This is why not many teams trade away Fran players. Way too much cost to the other team.

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meh....there's more to it than that. It lets the market set the price instead of us...which is what we should have done with a number of our players.

Letting the player hit free agency unrestricted would accomplish the same thing. The new CBA pretty much made the transition tag a useless thing.

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I'm pretty sure a franchised player can be traded for whatever the teams agree on. If a non-exclusive franchised player negotiates with another team and the original team doesn't match the offer the compensation is the next two first round picks from the signing team. But that's if the player negotiates with another team, cutting the original team out of the loop. If we franchise Hardy and he signs the tender, we could then turn around and trade him for whatever we wanted to, no subsequent "offsetting trades" or anything like that necessary. *I think*

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I'm pretty sure a franchised player can be traded for whatever the teams agree on. If a non-exclusive franchised player negotiates with another team and the original team doesn't match the offer the compensation is the next two first round picks from the signing team. But that's if the player negotiates with another team, cutting the original team out of the loop. If we franchise Hardy and he signs the tender, we could then turn around and trade him for whatever we wanted to, no subsequent "offsetting trades" or anything like that necessary. *I think*

That would mean Hardy signed the one year contract he was offered for $12.8 million. At that point, he could be traded the same as any other player for what the hell ever. Before signing that contract, the compensation is two first rounders, no discussion.

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Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything solid.  Where did you find this info? 

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As for the RFA stuff, I have no idea.


Just learned this myself while researching tenders and tags.

3 years service = RFA
4 years service = UFA

All drafted rookies get 4 year deals (with fifth year options for first rounders).

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Didn't realize the nonesclusive was non-negation able.

 

 

you missed transition tag

 

blaaaaaarg

 

 

This Kraken stuff is so reminding me of the Peppers debacle.

 

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/3688-julius-peppers-franchise-tag-faq/?hl=franchise

 

2 major changes here.

 

No chance Gettleman completely hamstrings the Panthers offseason moves by FTing 76 and eventually being forcred to ink him sometime in July as our previous bumbling cap idiot/GM did.

 

Kraken is not Peppers. A moody sometimes motivated football player who had evidently zero trade value as evidenced by Hurney completely mismanaging player personnel moves for not one but two years.

 

If Getts perceives Hardy has some trade value he will A: FT Hardy and attempt to get value for him as the Patriots did for Matt Cassel.

B: blink if the market is not there and withdraw the Tag, waiting for Compensatory picks a year later as we did in the 3rd round for Peppers after Hurney's complete failures.

 

Keys to note a successful outcome:

 

 

Cassel, who hadn't started the previous seven seasons with Southern California and the Patriots, led New England to an 11-5 record, but no playoff berth, after Brady suffered a season-ending knee injury in the opener -- on a hit by Kansas City's Bernard Pollard, who said it was an "accident."

Cassel's steady improvement sent his stock soaring as he entered free agency. So the Patriots put the franchise tag on him, requiring any team that signed him to give them two first-round picks. But that tag would have cost the Patriots $14.65 million if they kept Cassel as insurance if Brady's health was questionable.

 

Patriots accepted 2nd round (pick 34) compensation for Cassell, another brilliant New England player personnel move.

 

 

Kraken must be  FT'd and moved early in the process for substantially less than the tag requires. Don't be fugging greedy people.

 

Key League dates:

 

January 18 -- East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida. January 19 -- AFC and NFC Championship Games. January 25 -- Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama. January 26 -- Pro Bowl, Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, Hawaii. February 2 -- Super Bowl XLVIII, MetLife Stadium, New York-New Jersey. February 3 -- Waiver system begins for 2014.  February 17 -- First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players. February 19-25 -- NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana. March 1 -- NFL Regional Combine, One Buccaneer Place, Tampa, Florida. March 3 -- Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players. March 8 -- Clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2013 Player Contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 11. However, a contract cannot be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 11. March 11 -- Top-51 Begins. All clubs must be under the 2014 Salary Cap prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time. March 11 -- All 2013 player contracts will expire at 4:00 p.m., New York time. March 11 -- The 2014 League Year and Free Agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time. March 11 -- Trading period for 2014 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2013 contracts. April 21 -- Offseason workout program begins. May 2 -- Deadline for Restricted Free Agents to sign Offer Sheets. May 7 -- Deadline for Prior Club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents. May 8-10 -- 2014 NFL Draft, New York City, New York. June 22-28 -- Rookie Symposium. July 15 -- At 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for any Club that designated a Franchise Player to sign such player to a multi-year contract or extension. After this date, the player may sign only a one-year contract with his Prior Club for the 2014 season, and such contract cannot be extended until after the Club’s last regular season game. July -- Teams report to training camp no sooner than 15 days prior to the team's first preseason game.

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Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything solid. Where did you find this info?


It has everything to do with changes made between the last CBA and the current one. I'm at work on my phone so I can't post all the links I had. Will do so when I get home.

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