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#3098065 I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

Posted by beach on 19 November 2014 - 11:28 PM

Do you know how Gettleman made his bones in the NFL ???

 

As a scout.

 

If you think the guy doesn't have an eye for talent, you are deluding yourself. He knew exactly what he had.

 

The reason Gettleman didn't address the offensive line is because there really wasn't anyone available in free agency with the money the Panthers had available. And the players available in the draft were clear reaches...and we had a glaring need at receiver.

 

Gettleman knew full well he was handing Rivera less than a loaded deck coming into the season. He basically said it out loud for all to hear.

 

Add up the personnel losses Gettleman was unable to address, the injuries that have hit nearly everywhere, the Hardy debacle, the fact that CJ basically decided he would rather count money than play and the regression of Cam Newton and you will start to realize why Gettleman is not going to bail on Ron Rivera a year after going 12 and 4.

 

A good evaluator (which DG could very well be and is proven in many regards) should be able to separate talent evaluation from coaching evaluation.  The coaching is hurting the team aside from the talent and that shouldn't be a crutch to keep a guy when he obviously isn't cutting the mustard.     




#3098017 Somebody Answer Me This Question Please

Posted by beach on 19 November 2014 - 10:28 PM

Not to mention both guys we brought in are possession receivers.  This staff continues to act..well...like how they've always been.  




#3097289 I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

Posted by beach on 19 November 2014 - 01:44 PM

Replacing Shula, and Dorsey? Rivera signed off on those moves, he picked Shula for the job. He's the head coach. Can't help but notice how you referred to Rivera as a "defensive coach", and that's the problem, it's his "head coaching" abilities that are in question.

 

If Rivera is going to succeed here, or anywhere for that matter as a head coach, he has to take ownership of the entire team, and get more involved. He took the job, and drafted a QB #1 overall, and so far him and his staff have shown very little ability at developing a QB.

 

Rivera's gameday inconsistency is also a HUGE liability right now. He still doesn't get "it". He's still making the same poor decisions, questionable challenges, poor clock management, and playing not to lose when he's already learned his lesson about that countless times.

 

I don't know if the COTY award combined with the extension went to his head, but his attitude so far this year is concerning. Last year he admitted his faults, and corrected them, this year he only wants to blame the players, even though we are routinely being outcoached.

 

That's the most frustrating thing.  He creates this divide of who is able to take responsibility and it seems it can only fall on players and execution.  The scheming, strategy, and in-game management should never be of concern and is perfect in his eyes.  




#3097133 I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

Posted by beach on 19 November 2014 - 12:15 PM

This season is pretty simple to explain.

 

The loss of Hardy and the disappearance of CJ turned what had been a great passing rushing defensive line into a no pressure defensive line.

 

This exposed an already suspect secondary that was made worse by personnel losses long term cap restrictions made it impossible to address.

 

Right now, the Panthers don't have a lot of talent on the defensive side of the football. They really didn't have that much talent last year, either, but Rivera was very good at making something out of nothing on that side of the ball.

 

On the offensive (literally) side of things, an already paper-thin and suspect offensive line has been banged-up and battered and unable to develop any sort of consistency. The running backs have been injured, the Receiving corps (outside of Olsen) has been inconsistent and the QB has wilted under pressure and put up bottom five passer rating numbers.

 

To address the Atlanta game for the umpteenth time: Newton had already thrown two picks, had nearly just thrown a third and has taken sacks on nearly 10% of his dropbacks this season. Rivera's decisions, while certainly conservative, were easy to understand. That's why criticism of the decision has really not gained any traction outside of the customary squealings on internet chat rooms.

 

So you voted no?




#3097119 I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

Posted by beach on 19 November 2014 - 12:06 PM

Thank you for the delete button.

 

I originally made the mistake of voting "No", not realizing the question was "do you want Ron Rivera gone". Lol. :sick:

 

Of course, I want him gone. So I voted yes!! :roadrage:

 

Yea haha.  I'm trying to round up a full fan vote rather than asking if you think he'll be gone.  Let the fan's opinion be heard!




#3097113 I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

Posted by beach on 19 November 2014 - 12:03 PM

Were you here? The hatred of Fox was in full gear.

 

I know because I was one of three people defending him.

 

I was.  I thought it was worse the prior year with Moore and Carr.  We all pretty much knew that last season was full lame duck even though discussion was quite contentious at times.  

 

My fam has had PSLs since Clemson...was a little too young until around 98 before I really got into things.  I guess my perspective is a little different than most. 




#3096706 I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

Posted by beach on 19 November 2014 - 04:39 AM

At the end of Capers, Seifert, and Fox we all kind of saw it coming.  Capers and Fox had been successful but ran their course in Charlotte.  Fox was maybe here a season too long but nothing that made us go nuts.  We kinda knew that Clausen team was going to be sh*t and it was his last season.  Seifert was an old retread that was obviously not a fit made apparent after season 3 being 1-15 (where we were competitive), but what we have here with Ron is special.

 

If you had to make a tally (let me do that right now with a poll), I'm going to guess it's well over 90% of the fan base who want the guy gone. So why am I getting the odd suspicion he isn't going anywhere after this season?  Why do I feel like there will be a crazy uproar about JR/DG not firing him and we will be swindled into another season of Rivera torture?  

 

I just really hope DG can take notice of some of the worst head coaching we've ever seen anywhere.  I mean we have been getting destroyed left and right in games this season.  

 

Ronald seems like a nice guy and I'm not saying I hate him necessarily but good god, I have never seen a coaching staff hold back a team this much.  From Matsko to Brown to Shula to Rivera...just not NFL caliber.  

 

Overall, I just can't believe they never take responsibility.  They never own up to their in-game decisions or anything.  What finally blew the lid for me was this past game...the end result was 90%+ on them.  Sure the team was sh*t in the 1st half but the players turned it around and put us in position to win that game in the second half and "executed".  That sad excuse for play calling and our "strategy" lost us the game with the help of Gano.  

 

The thread with all of this staff's fug ups shows it clear as day and I just fear that we will have to go through this yet another season.  

 

So..poll---Do you want Ron Rivera and his band of Shulanigans gone? 




#3096504 Win..... and you're IN

Posted by beach on 18 November 2014 - 10:12 PM

On a related note, I really dislike Bologna sandwiches




#3095453 Jason Avant Cut

Posted by beach on 18 November 2014 - 01:38 PM

Well I'll make it clear.

 

Out of all the problems with our team right now, I think the last concern should be why we kept a guy who has actually contributed this season with first down catches, and several receptions, one for a touchdown, over a guy with zero career numbers on a practice squad.

 

It's not a major concern, just one I mentioned.  Damn you jump to extremes.  




#3095449 Coaching Failure: Avant was misused

Posted by beach on 18 November 2014 - 01:37 PM

essentially philly is now an officially wr because tobert is back at rb forcing fozzy to be kr/pr... the bersin st project is over

 

I hope the Bersin project all together is over.  




#3095427 Coaching Failure: Avant was misused

Posted by beach on 18 November 2014 - 01:33 PM

hey remember all those 3rd and shorts we've had and gone deep

 

hell even the announcers noticed last game 

 

2nd and short---predictable runs

 

3rd and short---"Let's trick e'm, long bomb to the 30 y/o possession receivers!!!!!"




#3095420 Coaching Failure: Avant was misused

Posted by beach on 18 November 2014 - 01:31 PM

It's almost as if they didn't know how to use a player correctly.................




#3095291 Jason Avant Cut

Posted by beach on 18 November 2014 - 01:01 PM

I still don't get why we didn't keep King over Bersin.  




#3095107 Jason Avant Cut

Posted by beach on 18 November 2014 - 12:34 PM

And yeah, they could've cut Harper easily.  He has no guaranteed money on his multi-year deal.  

 

I don't get this unless what Avant has said is reverberating throughout the locker room which I bet it has.  If he spoke about it to the Observer, you gotta think there's more than a handful wishing we had balls in the locker room.  




#3095096 Jason Avant Cut

Posted by beach on 18 November 2014 - 12:33 PM

He was known as one of the most friendly and team oriented guys in Philly.  They loved him.  

 

If Philly can love the guy...something legit has to be going wrong for him to speak out.  What he spoke out against must be more than just him in the locker room if it came to the point of cutting him.   

 

This makes the Staff look very weak and shows they have no control over the locker room outside of deciding who to cut and keep.  






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