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#3099948 Republicans pass a bill restricting scientists from advising the EPA

Posted by mav1234 on 21 November 2014 - 02:41 PM

Are "independent" scientists vetted out of the process if they're shown to have a vested interest in specific topics...such as their university receiving grants on studies of such issues that they have regulatory powers over?  A conflict of interest can arise in many different ways...not just through private corporations. 


The SAB does not have regulatory power.  The SAB basically weighs scientific merit of different memos or provides targeted feedback, review, and research as requested.  It is a panel of experts, people that serve in a variety of fields, and is made up of a bunch of sub-committees that tackle more targeted issues. 


There is no conflict of interest from a scientist just because someone at their university has a grant for something.  That's not how grants work, really.   For instance, another lab in this building has a grant from USDA.  To accuse me of bias in regards to, say, crop science research because some people in this building receive funding from the USDA is really silly.  Plus, one big thing in science to keep in mind is the process, while not perfect, actively awards people that buck the status quo or find alternative hypotheses to traditional ideas. 


Now, if I was receiving a grant to study, say, harmful effects of high fructose corn syurp, if I was to research that subject, publish on it, and gain respect in the field, I would be considered an expert on it.  Now, you might not wanting me running the EPA, but certainly, wouldn't you want someone that actually knows the research in the field to comment if the EPA prepares a draft on how to handle, say, something related to high fructose corn syrup?  You don't want me handling it alone, no - but if you were to gather five or ten of my colleagues that are working in the field that have made significant impact (easy to measure with publication scores), then you might consider yourself to have an expert body to review scientific evidence.


Maybe  some of those people have a connection to industry(and they would, in this example).  Maybe they don't.  ALL of them would have had some connection to the field and received funding in it from one source or another at one point or another.  But to declare them all unable to weigh the potential merits of something because they received funding to study the topic at hand would suggest that the entire scientific process is untenable, unless you want to just give every single scientist a flat sum of money and completely remove the aspect of sciene that relates to how performance influences funding.


Note, I am not saying individual scientists are not without bias.  This is why peer review is so important... at every level.  Which is a big part of the SAB's functionality.

#3098610 First Case Of Ebola Diagnosed In The U.S.

Posted by mav1234 on 20 November 2014 - 01:12 PM

haha look at people rush to explain themselves now.

"no I wasn't freaking out, I uh, stock up on milk and bread all the time."

"I was just mocking people, even though in context my post follows quite logically from all my other posts!  I'm edgy, not reactionary!"


I don't really care about who did or did not panic here, but it is pretty clear there was an, ahem, elevated level of concern for the situation that it didn't actually warrant here.  And if you think that a large subset of the country wasn't panicing...  Were you living under a fuging rock?  I don't even watch 24 hr news and it was impossible to miss it on social media etc.

#3098549 First Case Of Ebola Diagnosed In The U.S.

Posted by mav1234 on 20 November 2014 - 12:21 PM

hey guys seriously nobody was freaking out.  not the guy stocking up on bread and milk. not the guy calling for a travel ban.  not all the dudes demanding mandatory quarantines.  certainly not the crazyman settting up some 700-post long-play where he fools everyone into thinking he actually thought the government was handling this poorly (??).  nope nobody was freaking out. not at all.


didn't you see all those posts saying DON'T PANIC?


hey guys DON'T PANIC but the MOVIE THEATER IS ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#3098533 First Case Of Ebola Diagnosed In The U.S.

Posted by mav1234 on 20 November 2014 - 12:11 PM

classic pstall.  makes stupid comment, gets called on it, says he's joking. despite how logically it follows with his previous posts.


examples of stupidity/overreacting/commentary-that-is-poorly-informed:



I'm sorry, call me a dick or an insensitive asshole but fug that guy. His carelessness and god knows what desire to go to Liberia could result in the deaths of many U.S. citizens. It's now officially time that anyone coming off a plane from any part of Africa should be required to pass a test first confirming they are Ebola free.


Time to stock up on bread and milk.  If this thing gets going its going to get ugly fast.


The White House is saying that no new travel restrictions will be initiated and that the tests we have are enough... That's just asinine.

No test is going to catch someone that's infected but not showing symptoms.

Not sure if they're just trying to keep public panic down or just being stupid/political.


We are gonna screw around and ler this get out hand


I think its rather peculiar those that semi downplay this.
Why I have no idea. I dont think millions die but the time/money/resources wilm be huge when it's said and done.


I hear ya fang. Im just saying those at the hot points areas of these are la di da. They need some serious focused urgency. Im not saying panic but don't downplay this and hope it goes away. I asked my wife who teaches hey what are they saying is your gameplan for this stuff? Uhhh
So im going to talk to my kids school and say I need to know if you have a plan. You can't wing it on something like this.

BUT DONT WORRY GUYS PSTALL IS JUST fuging WITH YOU   :)  He didn't actually mean the government needs any "Focused urgency", and he did think they should downplay it until it goes away. exactly. That's totally consistent with EVERYTHING ELSE Pstall said up to that point in the thread.
But nobody here was freaking out about this at all (well other than the dude stocking up on bread and milk and the cohort of people demanding travel restrictions, but w/e)!!!  Repeatedly saying "I'm not panicing, but SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!!!" doesn't mean you don't look like you are freaking out.

#3098055 Still in for Rivera~

Posted by mav1234 on 19 November 2014 - 11:11 PM

I don't expect Rivera to be fired, and frankly, I wouldn't be that upset if he is retained.  But if he keeps Shula on staff, I will be pissed.


I think Rivera has made enough big blunders and poor choices as HC, combined with his seeming inability to take responsibility for the team's mistakes, that I do not really like him as a HC.  That being said, given the circumstances, I expected the team to do poorly this year.


Shula, though, needs to go... and Ron needs a short leash.

#3097159 I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

Posted by mav1234 on 19 November 2014 - 12:31 PM

Eh there was just as much Fox hatred, but the situation was different as 2010 came after mediocrity, not success, so the feeling was less of a monumental let down

#3097072 The American Commune

Posted by mav1234 on 19 November 2014 - 11:44 AM

The central flaw in that paste from Wilkow is that "government involvement" is not the same as "explicit, complete, and exlucisve government control."

#3095756 Thomas Davis on WFNZ Bustin' Loose

Posted by mav1234 on 18 November 2014 - 02:54 PM

Yes and the other part is calling out others who deserve blame but aren't holding themselves accountable, while trying to motivate them to do better. Avant probably shouldn't have said anything to the media, but what he said is the truth and needed to be said. Rivera's a so-called leader yet all he fuging does is blame players and call out specific players - even ones who don't have nearly as many mistakes as he does.


I don't agree that publicly calling anyone out is of benefit to the team.  It should be done privately.


Rivera is setting a poor example, IMO

#3095700 Thomas Davis on WFNZ Bustin' Loose

Posted by mav1234 on 18 November 2014 - 02:38 PM

I understand when players, in the heat of a moment after a game, take shots at certain situations (e.g. play calling), but despite the dumpster fire we are, I would never expect our leaders to throw the coaches under the bus.  Part of leadership is taking accountability for your mistakes and accepting blame, and both the offense and defense have plenty of blame to share for poor play.  Unfortunately, our coaches could learn a lot from TD.

#3095694 Whose remains will we be scrapping from underneath the bus after the Vikes?

Posted by mav1234 on 18 November 2014 - 02:36 PM

"I think we had a solid game plan that none of the players executed."

-Ron Rivera, following a loss to the Vikings

#3095658 The American Commune

Posted by mav1234 on 18 November 2014 - 02:26 PM

this reads like crazy spam some random uncle would send me about the evils of the liberal world.

#3093393 RR press conference: no staff changes during "bye" week

Posted by mav1234 on 17 November 2014 - 01:49 PM

Are you guys actually surprised by this?


Only way any staff changes happen is of JR/Gettles steps in and forces it, and JR would rather wait until season's end, if he was to do anything at all.

#3091942 Cam outplayed Peyton Manning today

Posted by mav1234 on 16 November 2014 - 07:15 PM

Wow... didn't know anyone could reach far enough to begin comparing Cam Newton to one of the best QBs to ever play the game..... lol


really?  Because since he played his first game people have been comparing him to brady and manning in every freaking way possible, it's retarded... both in a good light and a bad light.

#3085899 Schefter Tweet

Posted by mav1234 on 13 November 2014 - 07:11 PM

Stewart and Williams are considered one of the best backfields in the league

If only it was still 2008...

#3083627 Panthers officials insist Cam Newton's MNF problems totally mental

Posted by mav1234 on 12 November 2014 - 09:01 AM

For the first time, I'm not convinced Cam will want to stay here. What a dumpster fire. Throwing Cam under the bus just about.

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