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3 hours ago, OldNorthPowell said:

I want something to look forward to instead of picks 9 to 12 and barely missing the playoffs. I am a realist. It doesn't mean I am not a fan. It is that I am just not going to believe in lies about a franchise going nowhere currently.

For over a decade now realists have been tarred & feathered for not slurping down the pablum spooned out by Air Minimum, Yes Co. & Cho (Kupchak).   Your Realist Badge has now been earned, congrats.

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I think the call to tank is only heavy because of the projected high end talent in this years draft. The chance to get a superstar is appealing to people but if you look at the top players in the NBA right now there can be an argument made that there has only been one superstar drafted since the 2015 NBA draft (Antetokounmpo) and that picking repeatedly in the lottery does little to advance a teams' standing.

What should be frustrating to Hornets' fans are the reports of all the players we were enamored with during the pre-draft ordeal and the constant selecting of the wrong player.

Miles Bridges is the first rookie we have drafted since Kemba that actually has shown some potential in his rookie season.

We were heavily linked to Donavan Mitchell, Devin Booker, 4 First Round Draft Picks, and Bradley Beal/Harrison Barnes yet we ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Frank Kaminsky, and Malik Monk.

This team is in the position it is in because of poor drafting, not its' reluctancy to tank.

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25 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I think the call to tank is only heavy because of the projected high end talent in this years draft. The chance to get a superstar is appealing to people but if you look at the top players in the NBA right now there can be an argument made that there has only been one superstar drafted since the 2015 NBA draft (Antetokounmpo) and that picking repeatedly in the lottery does little to advance a teams' standing.

What should be frustrating to Hornets' fans are the reports of all the players we were enamored with during the pre-draft ordeal and the constant selecting of the wrong player.

Miles Bridges is the first rookie we have drafted since Kemba that actually has shown some potential in his rookie season.

We were heavily linked to Donavan Mitchell, Devin Booker, 4 First Round Draft Picks, and Bradley Beal/Harrison Barnes yet we ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Frank Kaminsky, and Malik Monk.

This team is in the position it is in because of poor drafting, not its' reluctancy to tank.

Those three all play with no heart and were lousy picks

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15 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Those three all play with no heart and were lousy picks

It really is depressing when you think about it. The Hornets could easily could be lining up with a roster of Kemba, Mitchell, Booker, Barnes, and whoever...

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5 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

It really is depressing when you think about it. The Hornets could easily could be lining up with a roster of Kemba, Mitchell, Booker, Barnes, and whoever...

Monk and mkg didn’t even play last night

Wonder what Dallas wanted from us for Barnes?

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1 hour ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I think the call to tank is only heavy because of the projected high end talent in this years draft. The chance to get a superstar is appealing to people but if you look at the top players in the NBA right now there can be an argument made that there has only been one superstar drafted since the 2015 NBA draft (Antetokounmpo) and that picking repeatedly in the lottery does little to advance a teams' standing.

What should be frustrating to Hornets' fans are the reports of all the players we were enamored with during the pre-draft ordeal and the constant selecting of the wrong player.

Miles Bridges is the first rookie we have drafted since Kemba that actually has shown some potential in his rookie season.

We were heavily linked to Donavan Mitchell, Devin Booker, 4 First Round Draft Picks, and Bradley Beal/Harrison Barnes yet we ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Frank Kaminsky, and Malik Monk.

This team is in the position it is in because of poor drafting, not its' reluctancy to tank.

It really is staggering.

Last night they said something along the lines that MKG hasn't played in the 1st half of any of the last 5 or 6 games....

....he's a #2 pick and has averaged about 13 minutes in the last 7 games.

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1 hour ago, GeorgeHanson said:

It really is staggering.

Last night they said something along the lines that MKG hasn't played in the 1st half of any of the last 5 or 6 games....

....he's a #2 pick and has averaged about 13 minutes in the last 7 games.

Jordan and Cho set this team back years with their horrible drafting mistakes.

Kemba is just good enough to get this team to the playoffs as an 8th seed but we obviously can't draft for poo and our eye for talent, especially in the middle of the first round, is horrible.

Trading Kemba for Sexton and a future first round pick would have honestly been the best thing this team could have done.

It would have guaranteed a high lottery pick and given us Sexton who looks really solid.

Now, regardless if Kemba walks or stays, this team will be drafting in the middle of the first round once again hoping they finally pick the right player. If Kemba comes back the cycle will repeat itself until the Hornets finally land a player to play alongside Kemba.

In 2015 we drafted 9th, in 2017 we drafted 11th, and in 2018 we drafted 12th. If it wasn't for Batum playing worth a damn in 2016 we would have probably drafted 10th that year. If this years season ended today we would once again be drafting 12th.

It's just a never ending cycle and it always has been ever since we rebranded.

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2 hours ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I think the call to tank is only heavy because of the projected high end talent in this years draft. The chance to get a superstar is appealing to people but if you look at the top players in the NBA right now there can be an argument made that there has only been one superstar drafted since the 2015 NBA draft (Antetokounmpo) and that picking repeatedly in the lottery does little to advance a teams' standing.

What should be frustrating to Hornets' fans are the reports of all the players we were enamored with during the pre-draft ordeal and the constant selecting of the wrong player.

Miles Bridges is the first rookie we have drafted since Kemba that actually has shown some potential in his rookie season.

We were heavily linked to Donavan Mitchell, Devin Booker, 4 First Round Draft Picks, and Bradley Beal/Harrison Barnes yet we ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Frank Kaminsky, and Malik Monk.

This team is in the position it is in because of poor drafting, not its' reluctancy to tank.

Your first argument is true, the chance at a superstar is appealing. When we tanked the first go around it was centered around some bad picks. However, since 2015 the drafts have been weaker, so that might be why the Greek Freak is one of the few superstars from those draft classes. This draft coming up looks like it is loaded with elite talent to possibly pick 7. What do we do? Play our butts off for the chance to be eliminated/swept in round 1 or miss the playoffs and pick around 12 to 14. Fans get tired of not having much hope. Monk has started to look like a bust, though he is young and should be given one more year to see his potential. Frank was a wasted pick, Zeller was meh, MKG was a terrible pick, Kemba was a good pick, Biyombo was a bad pick. Through all of that we should not get discouraged from tanking, as it is the ONLY way this franchise is going to land a superstar. No superstar free agents are coming to Charlotte, and trying to get lucky outside the top 5 picks is a waste of time. We have to suck in order to renew interest around young talent. This team is currently constructed to be a meh black hole type of team. Here is to hoping the ping pong balls bounce our way (though I believe it is all set up anyways due to shady practices behind closed doors).

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23 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

Your first argument is true, the chance at a superstar is appealing. When we tanked the first go around it was centered around some bad picks. However, since 2015 the drafts have been weaker, so that might be why the Greek Freak is one of the few superstars from those draft classes. This draft coming up looks like it is loaded with elite talent to possibly pick 7. What do we do? Play our butts off for the chance to be eliminated/swept in round 1 or miss the playoffs and pick around 12 to 14. Fans get tired of not having much hope. Monk has started to look like a bust, though he is young and should be given one more year to see his potential. Frank was a wasted pick, Zeller was meh, MKG was a terrible pick, Kemba was a good pick, Biyombo was a bad pick. Through all of that we should not get discouraged from tanking, as it is the ONLY way this franchise is going to land a superstar. No superstar free agents are coming to Charlotte, and trying to get lucky outside the top 5 picks is a waste of time. We have to suck in order to renew interest around young talent. This team is currently constructed to be a meh black hole type of team. Here is to hoping the ping pong balls bounce our way (though I believe it is all set up anyways due to shady practices behind closed doors).

Jordan doesn't have the pocketbook, nor the intestinal fortitude, which are both required to successfully execute the tank strategy....

....a new owner is the only way out here.

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46 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

Your first argument is true, the chance at a superstar is appealing. When we tanked the first go around it was centered around some bad picks. However, since 2015 the drafts have been weaker, so that might be why the Greek Freak is one of the few superstars from those draft classes. This draft coming up looks like it is loaded with elite talent to possibly pick 7. What do we do? Play our butts off for the chance to be eliminated/swept in round 1 or miss the playoffs and pick around 12 to 14. Fans get tired of not having much hope. Monk has started to look like a bust, though he is young and should be given one more year to see his potential. Frank was a wasted pick, Zeller was meh, MKG was a terrible pick, Kemba was a good pick, Biyombo was a bad pick. Through all of that we should not get discouraged from tanking, as it is the ONLY way this franchise is going to land a superstar. No superstar free agents are coming to Charlotte, and trying to get lucky outside the top 5 picks is a waste of time. We have to suck in order to renew interest around young talent. This team is currently constructed to be a meh black hole type of team. Here is to hoping the ping pong balls bounce our way (though I believe it is all set up anyways due to shady practices behind closed doors).

The thing is we did tank, we tanked for AD and ended up with MKG, we honestly can't even tank right.

And while the thought of getting Zion, Barrett, or whoever is nice, not only can we not sit Kemba as it's against the rules, Kemba is a competitor and will do whatever it takes to get this team to the postseason. It's very similar to the Kyle Allen/Panthers situation where fans want the team to tank but the players have no intention of doing so.

I''m not upset that we don't take, I'm upset that it seems like year after year we have our guy then we pick someone else based on how the draft turns out.

Report that the Hornets wanted Barnes: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1237695-2012-nba-draft-order-bobcats-eye-for-harrison-barnes-could-shake-up-lottery

Report that the Hornets were offered 4 First Round Picks for the 9th Overall pick in the 2015 NBA Draft: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics

Report that Booker won't slide past Charlotte: https://www.aseaofblue.com/2015/6/23/8830653/nba-draft-2015-pistons-devin-booker-hornets

Report that Clifford wanted Mitchell and Mitchell expected to be a Hornet: https://swarmandsting.com/2018/01/13/buzz-city-beat-donovan-mitchell-thought-hed-drafted-charlotte-hornets/

THOSE THREE PLAYERS (BARNES, BOOKER, MITCHELL) COMBINED WITH KEMBA AVERAGE A TOTAL OF 90 POINTS PER GAME (JUST THOSE FOUR PLAYERS). That would put them only three points behind the combined average of KD, Steph, Klay, and Cousins.

This team had every opportunity to be good with and without tanking but can't draft for poo regardless of where they are slotted.

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11 hours ago, MillionDollarCam said:

The thing is we did tank, we tanked for AD and ended up with MKG, we honestly can't even tank right.

And while the thought of getting Zion, Barrett, or whoever is nice, not only can we not sit Kemba as it's against the rules, Kemba is a competitor and will do whatever it takes to get this team to the postseason. It's very similar to the Kyle Allen/Panthers situation where fans want the team to tank but the players have no intention of doing so.

I''m not upset that we don't take, I'm upset that it seems like year after year we have our guy then we pick someone else based on how the draft turns out.

Report that the Hornets wanted Barnes: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1237695-2012-nba-draft-order-bobcats-eye-for-harrison-barnes-could-shake-up-lottery

Report that the Hornets were offered 4 First Round Picks for the 9th Overall pick in the 2015 NBA Draft: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics

Report that Booker won't slide past Charlotte: https://www.aseaofblue.com/2015/6/23/8830653/nba-draft-2015-pistons-devin-booker-hornets

Report that Clifford wanted Mitchell and Mitchell expected to be a Hornet: https://swarmandsting.com/2018/01/13/buzz-city-beat-donovan-mitchell-thought-hed-drafted-charlotte-hornets/

THOSE THREE PLAYERS (BARNES, BOOKER, MITCHELL) COMBINED WITH KEMBA AVERAGE A TOTAL OF 90 POINTS PER GAME (JUST THOSE FOUR PLAYERS). That would put them only three points behind the combined average of KD, Steph, Klay, and Cousins.

This team had every opportunity to be good with and without tanking but can't draft for poo regardless of where they are slotted.

We could force Berrego to play all rookies except Kemba. That could force a tank while building youth. Instead we are trying to finish with around the same record as the past 2 seasons. That is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. We will not build a winner without tanking. Picking 10 to 14 every year is the black hole of the NBA. Meh territory. No star is coming here unless they are drafted. I have said all I can.

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38 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

We could force Berrego to play all rookies except Kemba. That could force a tank while building youth. Instead we are trying to finish with around the same record as the past 2 seasons. That is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. We will not build a winner without tanking. Picking 10 to 14 every year is the black hole of the NBA. Meh territory. No star is coming here unless they are drafted. I have said all I can.

The NBA won’t allow stars to sit unless they are injured, teams will be fined if they do it (see AD situation).

Edit: Unless you mean play Kemba with Miles, Devonte’ etc... Even still, Kemba can lead this team to the playoffs by himself.

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13 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

....a new owner is the only way out here.

Don't hold your breath on that one. 

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Rodney Hood was 1 for his last 11 shots prior to today and I think they said 5 points in his last 3 games...  he just dropped 25 points on us in the 2nd half to pull away for the win.  We suck.

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