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Mr Mojo Risin

REPORT: Lions GM Willing to Trade Out of #3 Overall Pick

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we should trade back in the first atleast hurney is good at drafting in the first round 

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33 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Not going to nitpick single years, but its not about accepting poor performance.   Our actual picks if you average them out, do about as well as most other teams.  The issue it seems is the lack of understanding that teams are generally better of with a large number of picks because the majority of picks on average are not going to work out.   

 

I hope we don't trade up to get anyone, but I wouldn't mind trading back to get a larger haul of picks.  Hurney is not much better or worse at picking players, his bigger issue is something like trading up to get a guy like Little.  Little may work out, but the odds are he won't. But we essentially spent two picks on him.  IMO, the teams that have been the most successful over the years drafting have done it with larger numbers of picks, and not trading up to go after their guy.  

 I agree with all that. Unfortunately, we have had multiple GMs who fail to understand this. It’s a major issue in the subpar results. 
 

  I know everyone is falling in love with their guy, but this is where trade down and get at least 3 more top 100 picks. This team needs a lot and needs more thAn just one player. 

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I think Panthers will see how Burrow situation unfolds. I think 3 firsts if the Chargers give Cam a physical and feel he is healthy and we give 2021 would be enough. I think we might see ELI 2.0, you know Joe Brady would be big on it.

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Everyone keeps mentioning trading down to acquire more picks. Ask yourselves, when has Marty Hurney ever done that? Even outside of the First Round? Maybe one time? If that? Ask yourselves, how does Marty draft? What does he normally do every single draft? What are his tendencies? He stays at his pick unless he trades up because he somehow over values players that other teams simply do not want, and to make matters worse he trades UP for that player and it blows up in his face time and time again. There are so many examples of him doing this but I cannot think of a single time hes traded down to acquire more picks. We are either stuck at 7 or we are mortgaging the future to trade up. That's Marty Hurney. The GM and expert talent evaluator of the Carolina Panthers and unfortunately we are stuck with him.

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I still don't think its a done deal that Burrow goes number 1.

Bengals, enough said

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Marty will do what Tepper and Rhule tell him to do.

We dont get their 3rd without Newton.  Theyy arent trading for Newton. 

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12 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Marty will do what Tepper and Rhule tell him to do.

He traded up for Greg Little last year, he barely played and when he did it wasn't very good. Sure the jury is still out on him but this is yet another and the most recent possible example. Who was our owner last year? Tepper. I'm sure Rhule will have a say so but Marty is the one scouting most of the talent. Rhule has never scouted NFL talent before. Scouting high school players vs NFL draft ready players is a pretty big difference. There is SO much more that goes into the draft process. Hardly none of the coaches Rhule brought in have much draft experience either. I guarantee Rhule will lean heavily on Hurney trying to learn as much as he can from him. That's the main reason Tepper kept Hurney around. So, if you dont think Hurney will have any influence in this draft you're fooling yourself.

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5 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

He traded up for Greg Little last year, he barely played and when he did it wasn't very good. Sure the jury is still out on him but this is yet another and the most recent possible example. Who was our owner last year? Tepper. I'm sure Rhule will have a say so but Marty is the one scouting most of the talent. Rhule has never scouted NFL talent before. Scouting high school players vs NFL draft ready players is a pretty big difference. There is SO much more that goes into the draft process. Hardly none of the coaches Rhule brought in has much draft experience either. I guarantee Rhule will lean heavily on Hurney trying to learn from. That's the main reason Tepper kept Hurney around. So, if you dont think Hurney will have any influence in this draft you're fooling yourself.

Little not a good example, he did fine until injuries came up. He went from guarding 18-21 year old kids to 24-40 year old men. That isn't exactly easy to transition to, why do you think the top LTs always are gone before pick 5?

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6 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Little not a good example, he did fine until injuries came up. He went from guarding 18-21 year old kids to 24-40 year old men. That isn't exactly easy to transition to, why do you think the top LTs always are gone before pick 5?

Again. That draft was LAST YEAR. Of course it is to early to judge Little but so far hes started his career off just about the same as every other bust Marty has traded up for. I cant fast forward 3 years into the future to give Little the proper time he deserves. And I also wouldnt say Little did "fine"  when he did get on the field. A 6th rounder (Daley) looked a lot better and more polished than the 2nd rounder we traded up for. But if you like we can take a stroll down memory lane and look back at all the terrible players Marty traded up for that didn't work out. So far, with what Little has shown it's just more of the same from ol' Marty.

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Burrow with Brady is rather tempting, but it will cost too much.  Trade down and get us some linemen Hurney, remember we don’t need to win it all next year, step by step.  

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I'm generally against trading up and hope we keep Cam but if they are intent on moving on from him and think Tua is a franchise QB then you almost have to do it. You just don't know how it will work out in the future, so I don't think you should pass up the opportunity.

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10 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Everyone keeps mentioning trading down to acquire more picks. Ask yourselves, when has Marty Hurney ever done that? Even outside of the First Round? Maybe one time? If that? Ask yourselves, how does Marty draft? What does he normally do every single draft? What are his tendencies? He stays at his pick unless he trades up because he somehow over values players that other teams simply do not want, and to make matters worse he trades UP for that player and it blows up in his face time and time again. There are so many examples of him doing this but I cannot think of a single time hes traded down to acquire more picks. We are either stuck at 7 or we are mortgaging the future to trade up. That's Marty Hurney. The GM and expert talent evaluator of the Carolina Panthers and unfortunately we are stuck with him.

We have traded down the last two years just not in the first round. We traded down in the first round in 2007 and took Beason at #25.

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If you think you can get a top 5 QB in the league it does make sense to trade up regardless.

Yes, it kicks the rebuild a year or two down the road, but that guy will help you 10-15 years (and with the cap increasing with a new cba "you can only compete with a QB on a rookie deal" is no longer a fact). 

I have no idea if Tua is that guy, I'm just stating that there is an exception to  "you do not trade up during a rebuild" and that is it. 

 

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Hurney will definitely consider it. It's also going to depend on what Rhule prefers to do, since now we're giving the HC more authority.

He'll come to Charlotte for a private workout. I'm just afraid it'll turn out to be more of a loss than gain.

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