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My comment is based on human nature, plain and simple.

We're on the same wavelength! But, let's say that come draft night, we still have Teddy and both TL's, Wilson and Fields are gone and we're on the clock, would you consider trading that 1st for Tua? Just asking.

I suspect that try as he might, Tepper is probably getting a little impatient. Rhule and Fit will hopefully keep things in perspective though. It's a process! This is really the second season of the rebuild.

He should have said "season 4", and furthermore you really can't even count the first season, unless you're trying to be a bit disingenuous (which he probably is).

But he's wrong. This is more like year three, and we haven't even gotten there yet!

Meh! Argue with multiple reports to your hearts content! And, try to make something about analysis that's not about analysis as much as it's a reporting of a done deal. Our pick was nowhere as good as LA's, and there's still reason for someone to believe that Goff has some upside and more value than Bridgewater.

@stbugs, don't believe the LA Times? Here's the Athletic: Burke: Goff's contract is a bit of a sticking point, but the Lions have to be thrilled otherwise with the return. And the fact that they'll pick up $27.5 million of Goff's salary this year plus some guaranteed money next year is probably why they were able to land an extra first-round pick. https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/news/matthew-stafford-rams-jared-goff-lions-trade/oZKFvAx6VulK%3famp=1

It isn't my thesis. Not that this reported story in the Los Angeles Times is the only place I've read this (because it's not), but here you go: "By trading Goff, the Rams will incur a $22.2-million dead-cap hit. And by including the draft picks, they essentially paid the Lions to take him off their hands." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2021-01-30/rams-nfl-jared-goff-traded-matthew-stafford-lions%3f_amp=true

Honestly, Teddy and that same fifth (in the Stafford proposal) for Minshew would be an acceptable deal. I wouldn't go higher than a fourth.

That is a more conservative approach. I don't know that it's worth it to just cut Teddy. He does make for a high quality backup. Of course there would be a little drama surrounding our QB situation, but Rhule says that he believes in competition.

I think so too. It's all relative. His contract was bad, but it's not prohibitively awful I don't think!

Upset there? If the shoe fits, wear it! Otherwise, the post is not meant for you.

You know that some of these people aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer...

I had to consider the best case scenario.

For those of you who actually think things through before posting, let me just say that when considering the context of trade proposals, don't think of everything in a vacuum! Just like the Rams paid the Lions to take Jared Goff's contract, we might have to pay--to a lesser degree obviously--for someone to take Teddy's contract. I don't know who needed to hear this, but when you're considering the fine points of a trade, remember this! That is all!

Yeah, I heard those rumors too. If some players thought that, they were too pussified to come forward. Miami arguably mishandled Tua. They probably should have let him sit and learn for the entire year. Like I said, he was rehabbing from a significant injury--in the year of Covid no less. Furthermore, no one said they could be Peyton Manning, but to say that they are definitively "awful" is what's really "pure nonsense"! Don't let the reason I even brought Manning up (both actually) just purposefully sail over your head, and put words in my mouth.

I think when you get down to it, you must ask yourself if Darnold is worth the 8th pick--at least that second!

Yep! There is something to be said for being overaggressive! And it usually ends up to something negative in regards to football.

I don't get how you can call Tua or Hurts "awful" with such a small body of work. Seriously, if a coach (some of them HoFers) had taken your attitude or approach, then Peyton Manning, Troy Aikmen and John Elway would've been gone! Phil Simms and Eli Manning would've also been toast. I'm also old enough to have seen Terry Bradshaw and Dan Fouts in their primes. I was too young to remember their rookie seasons through an analytical or contextual prism, but they were both excellent QBs who had notably poor rookie seasons. Bradshaw was awful! But, as you know, these guys got into the Hall of Fame for a reason! They ultimately turned into great players! Tua and Hurts did some notable things in college with their arms and legs. Tua came into the league injured, so he had not only to deal with the normal transition, but rehabbing. I get that this is a now-now-now generation, but damn! Let the guys get in a full season or two of games before going all Cowherd or Bayless.

Ha ha! The Howitzer was certainly missing!

LOL @ Teddy Bridgewater's "checkdown parade"

Interesting! If we don't get Watson, Tim Weaver and USA Today's Panthers Wire have a surprise for us! I think that they're ranking some guys as hypothetical potential trade targets that the Huddle is not really taking seriously. Sure, they mention Wentz and Darnold among others. And, a lot would (and could) have to happen for some of these young guys to become available, but I'd be down with giving them a shot if things just don't work out for us in the Watson soap opera or what I'll refer to as the "draftosphere". You probably want to read the article, but their top three picks for us based upon a semblance of realism and value are Tua Tagovailoa at three, Jalen Hurts at two and...(drumroll)...Gardner Minshew at one! Sounds like dark horses, right? Perhaps! Minshew might as well be on the block now, so I think he could become a reality if Fit and company decide to make it so. I'd love to get Tua. There's plenty to work with, and I wouldn't let an underwhelming rookie tour deter me leastwise from obtaining him if the price is right. Hurts' season was even more underwhelming, but you have to remember that these guys are still young and more towards the raw side of the scale. There's still something to work with though, and the price may be right for the clay that is Hurts. He hasn't been in Philly long enough to mess him up (at least I don't think...even with Pederson's stunt). With that being said, I will leave you with Tim Weaver's own words in regards to Minshew, who apparently has some advanced analytical support backing up his starter's potential. He has to be a better fit than Teddy, right? From Panthers Wire: ...Minshew has started 20 games, compiling a 7-13 record. His NFL production has been respectable if not overwhelming or eye-catching. Minshew’s posted 37 touchdowns, 11 picks, 7.2 yards per attempt and an only-0average 93.1 passer rating. Those stats can be deceiving, though. Jacksonville has fallen on hard times since their 2017 squad pushed the Patriots to the brink in the AFC Championship. They lack playmakers at too many positions to even count, which was the main reason they finished 1-15 this year and wound up with the first pick in the draft. Minshew has a strong rapport with the underrated D.J. Chark, but there’s no true WR1 on their roster. Truth is, he could have done a lot more with a receiver corps as stacked Carolina’s. Some of the advanced stats suggest Minshew’s a diamond in the rough, too. According to Pro Football Focus, he had the NFL’s third-highest passer rating against the blitz this season. In addition to being sharp against pressure, Minshew is far more accurate than his completion percentage suggests and his on-target throw % was among league leaders all year. On film, Minshew has a gorgeous deep ball and plays the position fearlessly, if a little reckless at times. His aggressive instincts are worth encouraging though, especially after the checkdown parade we just witnessed from Teddy Bridgewater. Overall, his game is still a bit raw. However, in the right situation Minshew could have a shocking breakout type of season similar to the one Josh Allen just had in Buffalo. Minshew would be a grand bargain from a contract perspective, as well. His total cap hits over the next two years come out to less than $2 million, which means Carolina could easily make room for him without having to move Bridgewater and his ill-conceived bridge QB deal. Even better, dealing for Minshew might only require one mid-round pick. Verdict: Admittedly, there are other young QBs on this list who are superior athletes with a higher ceiling. That said, Minshew has enticing qualities and has made enough flashy throws to convince us that he can be a well above-average starter in the NFL. With the right pieces around him, he might even be a Pro Bowler. Trading for Minshew is exactly the kind of low-risk, potential high-reward move that championship teams make. There may be no other player who could offer this franchise more overall value in a trade. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/lists/panthers-quarterback-trade-options-sam-darnold-jalen-hurts-gardner-minshew/

And let's at I have 25 years left. That would be at least 20% of it down the toilet.

Just accept the fact that there are probably five less years out of how many years I have left on this earth that the Panthers can realistically win a championship!

First, I'd like to congratulate Teddy. He's a good human being! That's not to be taken lightly these days. Now, to answer your question, everyone doesn't hate high character players or coaches. The NFL is a results-driven league at the end of the day, and if players or coaches can't find ways to win--snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat, as opposed to snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory, they'll eventually be replaced, and this is particularly true as it pertains to the quarterback! You can't expect a QB to be loved for his play on the field when he's 0-8 on game-winning or game-tying drives. Teddy isn't some inexperienced rookie, sophomore or junior pro! He has to win at least two or three of those games (and I'm being generous)! You can't miss wide open reads, miss players in the end zone, throw the ball too late into the route--essentially helping to close the window for your own open man and limit production--and generally play scared. Those are the things that I don't like about Teddy the QB! But, I like Teddy the man.