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Another angle to him “practicing the test since freshman year of high school” is that he’s been treating his football career like a professional for a long time. That’s good news to me.

Never said he was attached to 2. You did. His college number 7 wasn’t available. Jason Baker wouldn’t give him the number. Clausen paid that attitude forward to Cam. When Baker was gone, Clausen no longer cared about 2…he switched to 7, told Cam he could have 2, but Cam didn’t change because he embraced 1. Literally Clausen in #7 his last preseason here. Unlike Clausen, Corral’s college and high school number isn’t taken by another player. Does this clarify what I mean?

Clausen’s #7 wasn’t available when he was drafted. It also wasn’t available when Cam wanted #2 the next year. Jason Baker wore #7. DJ Moore is gone. #2 is available. It wasn’t available last year. It’s not the same situation.

Okay but you said “he should get ahead of it” like it’s a lock we take Young. Hypothetically if we took Young, number 2 is just sitting there. Makes too much sense. I’ve addressed how easy it is if we took Young, but also why he hasn’t gotten “ahead of it.” It’s not a Clausen/Cam thing. Corral isn’t attached to 9 unless he’s nostalgic over getting no reps last year and playing in almost one full preseason game in #9.

If I were him I’m not worried about it. Young isn’t even drafted yet. I’m sure his focus is on rehabbing that foot, and preparing to show his value to a new staff in training camp.

This would be a non issue. Corral I’m sure would take his college/high school number (2) now that it’s available…

You know what? fug it you flipped me. Bryce Young 2023 let’s fuging go!

And it’s my fault. My bad.

*Happy/Sad Cam memories initiated*

His feel for the game and intangibles are easy to get excited over. I’m more comfortable with Stroud at this point because he seems like a bright kid too, and there aren’t physical question marks with him (and his ball placement is so good) but if Young is the pick I think people have to work hard to not be excited over him too.

It seems as if we are at a standstill. Correct me if I mischaracterize you. Are you saying that focusing on our differences (in this case, skin color or melanin levels in the skin) is productive towards the goal of equality? If so, I can’t fundamentally agree with that.

I’m not saying that at all. I’m referring to the way a person looks. Culture, experience, background…that gives variety and zest to life. Regarding politics; they proactively do the opposite of what you say. They don’t eliminate differences, but foster, magnify, and exaggerate differences. Fundamentally “us verse them”. Striping someone of their culture and identity is often bad (unless it is destructive, and life averse), but realizing the truth; that despite different cultures, we are actually the same thing…well I don’t see how that is fundamentally “harmful” at all.

I get it, just seems like an irrelevant way to describe someone if you truly view all people as people. If we keep reminding people of their differences, they will believe it.

That’s fair, but some prospects get elevated for that, and some get punished. Sam Howell is the counter example. Highly touted two years ago. His weapons all got drafted. He still performed rather well, had to run more, just not as good (understandable), and then he falls from grace. It’s inconsistent (not saying you are, just the “draft narrative” stuff as a whole).

Yeah I guess another angle would be to tackle Mac Jones in the same way. He was a relatively high recruit, wasn’t physically impressive, but performed well at Bama. Wonder if he would have been a 1st rounder had he QB’d Mizzou. Ultimately I know it’s impossible to know, but I wish there was a way to quantify how much being at Bama/Ohio St. adds to the prestige of a prospect outside of their actual ability and performance. And let’s say if Bryce did in fact lose draft position if he was at Ole Miss., it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a great pro. If being at Ole Miss got him drafted 20th or in the 2nd round, he might still end up the best QB in the draft.

Why did Joe feel the need to point out the color of his skin?

Whoops I forgot to respond. It’s unrealistic to imagine him at Western Kentucky or something, so maybe if he went to Mizzou, Ole Miss, Kentucky, etc. Middle SEC squad. An 8+ win major school.

I enjoy those rankings too but that doesn’t make it obvious. Pros is a different game. 18-22 years old (college years) is a tremendous growth period mentally and physically for young men. That’s how you get a 2 or 3 star TE in high school, who grows into a 1st round NFL tackle. A lot of top recruits fail due to lack of work ethic and “want to”, and I will certainly give you that Bryce isn’t one of those. It just seems like there is a cap on his ceiling physically, but he’d be the easiest guy to root for if he’s the pick.

The answer I expected.

Wimp? Kinda like someone who avoids the question all together?

@CamWhoaaCam Calling you out. What were you poo’ing? Just want a discussion.

Yes. But going to a top flight program and excelling doesn’t mean he’s an elite NFL prospect. It MAY mean that, but excelling as a QB at Alabama doesn’t by default mean that. If he’s our pick I’m 100% behind him and excited because I like him…I just have some worries. That’s all. And it’s not just Young…I don’t feel for any QB the way I felt for Cam in 2011. I would have been PISSED had we gone Locker or Gabbert. This draft I’m kind of lukewarm about all these QB’s.

Not an argument. Just a question. I’ve very much been worried about Stroud’s supporting cast as well. I’ve brought that up a lot when discussing Corral over the year. I guess at the end of the day, Young has physical deficiencies that Stroud doesn’t. For all we know, Stroud my have mental deficiencies that Young doesn’t. So I wonder if people think Young’s brain would have him in #1 discussion if he didn’t have the spotlight at Bama. Spotlight helps every player, including Stroud…but being so slight of frame, and having a “good enough” arm, his ceiling seems limited. I think Young is the perfect test if the saying “quarterback is 90% mental.” And yes Young was a top recruit (like Clausen…I’m joking) but he’s a top recruit for college ball. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a top talent for the NFL. Time will tell of course.

I wonder what happened. …and now I’m sad.

I meant more brand recognition and exposure. In a similar way, this being the board for a team in the Carolina’s, everyone loved them some Sam Howell a couple years back. People here were more aware of him. Watched him more. Likewise everyone watches Young. That’s kind of what I mean. Evaluating the tape is why he isn’t my #1. Disregarding his size too. He’s too physically limited for my liking (outside of size), but the mind and feel for the game is legit (or seems that way). If he was his size but faster, or with a laser for an arm, I would get more excited, but he just screams late 1st/early 2nd type guy to me if he wasn’t college footballs darling.