WOW!!

And you want the addition.. The added playbook more options for a play caller.. Makes your offense better then being hamstrung by a Unathletic QB with a okay arm... You need one or the other a big arm or mobility not having either is career backup traits in today nfl..

Plain and simple you cut off a chunk of your offensive potential with a Unathletic QB.. RPO, Read option, and a effective playaction passing attack are non and void with a Unathletic QB..

More LSU where Burrow could move..

What???

I don't need a Cam but you have to be Atleast as athletic as a Burrow Jones or Herbert. And I totally don't understand what team you were watching last year.. There were alot of design QB runs and Draws also some RPO plays all in this offense... I don't see a good offense going forward in today's NFL without RPO and QB run plays that really make defenses fear the play action pass...

Chris Simms based athletic QB on his athleticism.. Anybody compared to him is athletic.... Mac looks dumpy and slow . Moving in a clean pocket is 1 thing but let's not act like he has dealt with the pass rush he'll see in the NFL... So we don't really know how good he is in moving in a pocket. Like I said I don't believe in non mobile QB with avg. Arm strength.. I'm sorry.. Give me the athlete and teach him...

The moving around in the pocket thing is a misnomal until we see him behind a bad Oline that isn't dominating lower competition.. I think Matt has the better arm.. But I believe all three couldn't carry a team if they aren't put in favorable situations...

Exactly my point.

If we're talking last few years. Bill's and Dolphins have been good or Atleast competitive and then the Patriots. Last few years I would say AFC east is the stronger division... I also think the Jags had more talent surrounding Minshew if we're being realistic... But like I said it could go either way for me depending on compensation.. I'd rather go with natural talent but the stats don't lie.

I don't even have to do that.. I watched the games and can see the difference in Teddy passing to DJ and DJ breaks 3 tackles and get 20 to 30 more yards. And Cam Passing to Ted Ginn or Philly and they fall and Cam only getting the yards he passed for and no extra YAC...

We watched the games... Alot of their yards were made by them not the QB.. Let's be realistic.. If Teddy throws a 5 to 10 yard pass and Roddy or DJ or Curtis take it 30 - 40 more yards down the field.. Who gets credit for that??

I definitely agree with this.. I also think Mike Davis was a better RB then what ever the Jets had.

Darnold Could be a David Carr situation all over again as well.. Shell shocked and not repairable..

But you would agree Minshew also played with better surrounding talent in a weaker division right?? Context and situational differences does matter in this breakdown right??

Good one... Stephen Hill still sucked and you were wrong... Hahahaha!!!

Now that is interesting... Considering compensation who do you think has the better natural talent? I would go with Darnold..

Fair is fair I should never lived that down.. Flame on..

Just a question.. Would you say he more athletic and has a better or same arm strength as Matt Ryan or, Andy Dalton...

Cool .. now what.. Yeah nothing..lol

Are we really counting Nick Foles who had a great playoff run but wasn't the QB all season. Or Peyton being carried by a great defense and Bad Rivera Game planning.. Has Russell also won in the last 7 years..

I know we want to act like Tom Brady is the norm and he wasn't surrounded by superior talent.. But reality is there is only 1 Brady and that team was stacked when he got there and came together at just the right time.. IF we can build that for Jones and have that kind of team consistently.. Have at it...I just don't think that's realistic anymore..

I was done when he missed a WIDEOPEN DJ in the endzone and dam near broke his ankle in the process..

If you decide to take things literally here then I can't help you. Beside the fact I explained what the exercise was and why I used the saying in the topic and 1st post.. But if you want to follow Butthurt (for years now) MHS.. Being overly critical on a football Forum about topics.. And let me be clear about this fact.. You don't have to post in.. Cool with me!

Well you sure keep looking me up to only be just your entertainment..humm Plus you must have a boring life if this is your entertainment... But we both know I faced you in a debate more then a few times.. You got your butthurt YEARS ago and still feeling the effects of your bruised ego. Move on sweetheart life is to short.

Only Ben, and Flacco on that list had cannons... Peyton, Eli, Brees were above avg. Arms.. Brady and Nick Foles relied on scheme and timing. Also all these guys were drafted more then a decade ago.. The game has changed..