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I agree. If Dave can keep Greg for below his market value I think he will.. But I think Greg will see the bigger Dollar signs some where else and leave.

That's the 2nd best situation for me.. If Hardy isn't going to be here.. I hope his loyalty and love for this organization is strong enough.. He won't even consider playing in the division for a rival...

Yes I give Bill way more credit than Max Henson.. I don't accept Bill being a fluff writer for hits on his site.. I'm sorry for that..

I think JR and Dave are shrew business men....and will always try to make a good business decision... If Hardy is willing to accommodate the Panthers demands. . Play for less than his true value and make concessions to the team and FO on his actions. .. Dave and JR will make the decision to keep a top 5 pass rushers that makes your team better ... and get him for below market value. . JR has made this decision before.. Smitty while being one of the Best WR in the game...was a head ache on a week to week basis and way more of a problem in the locker room than Hardy was.. I also think JR being a former players will put stock in the opinion of the locker room.. And it seems like Greg has a strong backing in the Locker room... Again all this is dependent on Greg being very loyal and almost a dumb ass and not taking the money and run...

That's the point. . The reason why Bill is even wasting time on this could be Hardy trying to accommodate Panthers demands on him being here... We don't know Hardy heart and loyalty for this team.. He might be willing to do the things he needs to stay on this team... And that is the reason Bill wrote the articles..

The problem with CRA opinion is he's acting like this a non story. . And Bill is only doing this as some sort of publicity stunt. .. I'm just want to give Bill credit that he is better than that..

Nobody is saying he is changing his thinking on the situation... All people are saying that his opinion of it being a "forgone conclusion" is changing. .. Which it has.. Bill wouldn't waste his time if he still had no doubt that Hardy is gone...

Thank you.. I also Believe Bill wouldn't waste his time contradicting a opinion he has had since Training Camp for hits on his site... He could do a whole series on the draft and get more hits..Bill is obviously hearing a different tone out of the people he trust in the FO and being a good reporter... he is reporting it.. He still has the same opinion the only thing that's change is his opinion that it was a "forgone conclusion"..

Voth can write a whole series on draft and draft prospects and get hits... He doesn't have to write a article contradicting his long stated opinion of the Hardy situation. .. He even on a radio interview actually stated "he could be wrong" for the 1st time ...When other times he had no doubt that Greg was done here... What media person wants to admit that unless there's a chance they are wrong.. It's the dumbest thing ever to think a Beat writer wants to retract his opinion with no reason to do so... Rick Bonnell for weeks told people "there was no chance the Hornets were interested in signing Lance Stephenson"... He didn't change his opinion until they were in negotiations with Lance Stephehson. .. Than you started seeing Bonell writing contradictory stories to his previous opinion. .. This story with Voth is the same situation. .. Voth has stated without a shed of a doubt that Hardy wouldn't be here past last season.. Even before Training Camp.. He hasn't shown any doubt until this week.. So obviously he is hearing different things than what he was hearing before or he wouldn't have wasted his time...

So again it's not a fluff piece because he didn't have to write it... unless something has changed in the air and it might not be a forgone conclusion like he thought weeks days and months ago... Obviously Voth wrote this and went on the radio talking about this because he is hearing a different tone than he was before. . Why is it so important to you and others that people shouldn't have hope we can get Hardy back??

The point of this change in many opinions is the thinking that Greg might actually be willing to play here for below his value. .. If he wasn't Bill Voth wouldn't even waste his time writing this story. .. The only reason Smitty wasn't more of a money pit at times. . Is because the Panthers didn't punish his actions accordingly. . He could have been suspended more for fights with teammates and fights against opponents. . It is very hard to see Hardy coming back here unless he is willing to effectively bend to the Panthers demands... but the only reason this is even discussed now is this might be a possibility. ..

That's your opinion of what he doing.. but it's pretty funny you think you can determine the intent of another person WRITING. ..

I don't think Bill would even put this out unless he is truly hearing Greg is willing to make concessions to be on this team... just my opinion. . Bill 2 major points on Greg not being here were if no legal actions were taking against him.. were " Greg's asking price for his services" and "Jerry's level of trust and forgiveness".. 1 or both of these things must be happening for Voth to soften on his opinion. .

It might not be the Vet Minimum that gets him to sign.. And Voth's article is saying that Greg may be willing to play for below market Value to stay here and prove himself to Jerry and the team. I agree he should take tge money and run.. But what we thought about Greg wanting money instead of being here might be wrong. .

I agree..

Was it in JR heart to forgive SMitty as Bright was getting carried out the building to the hospital to get his Jaw fixed and his eye reattach? Jerry being a former player listen to his locker room. . And Players might not know what Hardy will do.. but it seems like the leaders are willing to stake their reputation on him.. And that should mean a lot to a former player.. In my opinion Gettlemen is a shrew business man type GM... And if he can get a top 10 pass rushers for below market value on a prove it deal...he will..

Trust can be attained if Greg is willing to play for below his market value on a prove it deal.. Gettlemen nor Jerry aren't dumb.. if they can get a top 5 pass rushers on a below market prove it deal they will.. Don't act like Jerry hasn't made a business decision before. . Smitty got away with worse and still got paid by Jerry..

That's my point... If Bill Voth is getting different messages than before... it's because Greg is willing to be loyal to the team and Jerry will (for the right Price) make a business decision.. Getting a top 5 pass rushers way below his market value who is showing you he is contrite to the situation he put his team in... is a good business move...especially if the team and coaching staff are on board with bringing hom back... it's a win win situation. ..

I think you're over exaggerating what most of the pro Hardy people are saying. .Most of us are only saying it's not a sure thing he won't be on this team.. If Greg is willing to except the parameters that were set out by Voth's article than there's a chance he will be back... I don't think Greg will because money talks... but if he is willing like Voth's says he might be.. I don't see why the Panthers wouldn't bring him back..

Yes I go.. and the NFL looking at the same evidence that again wasn't enough to follow thru without the "victim" testimony might make a different judgment call.. Let's be real IGO the 1st judge (with no reason) chose to go with the victim story (that change 3x) ... while most of us and local media had question about her credibility. ..

You are so full of it on this subject. . You had no problem agreeing and running with Voth when it fit your opinion. . Now that the person who was the 1st on the "Hardy not being back bandwagon" is admitting that a change in that mindset is possible. . You call him a fluff writer... This isn't Panthers .com... Voth doesn't work for the team.. He wouldn't make a fluff piece contradicting his strongly posted opinion. ..He has had since the beginning of the season. .. Unless he is getting a different info than he was getting before. . And really all he is saying now is that Hardy maybe trying to get back on the team and he has a swell of support from members and staff of the team who Jerry might listen to... He still believes it won't happen... He's only admitting now that it isn't as much of a sure thing as it was before. .

And the league might find like most people who actually read followed and read the testimony in this case that it was a judgment call by the 1st judge... Not really a fact base conviction. . The league might make a different judgment call based on the evidence. . That again wasn't good enough for the prosecutor to go thru with the jury trial. ..

Greg Olsen is another candidate and CJ word probably carries weight as well..

Yes being accused 3x and paying 3 different people off makes you look more guilty...yes I know crazy concept. .

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