Iron Saint

I don't think y'all will be as bad as most are saying. Could easily see y'all winning at least 7 again, possibly 8 or maybe even 9 games. Thankfully as weak as the NFC South is, our teams also have a relatively weak schedule rotation this year (AFC South and NFC North who both have a lot of question marks in both divisions) so a few ugly wins could be had in some of those games.

The toughest part of y'all schedule is due to finishing 2nd in the division last year resulting in y'all having to play Seattle and Miami, who despite both winning only 9 games last year, were deceptively solid teams.

10 hours ago, CRA said:

If you had one of the top 10 worst run Ds in the NFL or horrific QB play….the Wilks Panthers might could get you.  We weren’t good. 

Ayeee, we had both of those last year! And that's the cold hard facts about it because y'all got our ***es twice because of it. That 10-7 game was honestly embarrassing on both accounts.

Thankfully though y'all took two players that factored into both those poor metrics off our hands for us so I do have so say thanks. And Atlanta took the other one.

On 8/3/2023 at 8:58 PM, Cam's New Arm said:

Are people debating this? Is it pro Cousins, I assume? Certainly, it's not hinting at Burrow being mids?

Probably referring to this regarding their playoff stats...

On 4/21/2023 at 9:48 AM, KatsAzz said:

I still have not figured out how they keep signing big contracts and push the money forward without it catching up with them?

If someone knows the answer. please clue me in.

It's a combination of many factors including but not limited to the following:

• selectively deciding which of our players will be re-signed and at what price and will rarely, if ever, deviate from those values; our the front office usually has a set price in mind for not only our own guys, but any potential free agent signings as well
• allowing some players to walk in free agency for big money deals and collecting compensatory picks for their departure (this piggybacks off the first point) and using those picks either to package and trade up for higher value players (and hitting on them) or using them to provide quality depth; I'll also include strategic free agency signings that don't factor into the compensatory formula such as players that were released (like Carr despite us signing him to a massive deal and it not offsetting any potential comp picks)
• using void years sparingly and only on players the team is confident will sustain playing at a high level; the void years is a newer tactic and this seems like common sense but this is where teams that aren't very cap savvy quickly get burned by adding void years to oft-injured or old, declining players that end up getting released way earlier than the team intended forcing them to eat massive amounts of dead money years earlier than more than originally intended resulting in teams having holes across their depth chart without the available money to fill them
• factoring in the annual growth of the salary cap due to the revenue generated through the NFL's broadcasting contracts and maximizing those profits now instead of waiting until those future years; this is probably the biggest one and not something a lot of teams do (especially those sitting with a lot of cap space every single year), this one is the only reason that after the COVID season we had a larger dead money hit than the organization was planning for because that was the first season since I don't remember when that the salary cap didn't increase a significant amount

7 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

Saints lost like half their defense. It will be ok

Got younger for more production and smaller contracts to the two DT's, Davenport lost his starting job halfway through the year and Granderson was far more productive despite playing less snaps, and while Elliss saw significant snaps, it only happened because the guy in front him went down in the Baltimore game; when Werner was healthy Elliss only saw the field in base sets and came off in nickel.

7 hours ago, hepcat said:

Didn’t know much about this dude but apparently he’s good against the run. Panthers defense has been horrible against the run since 2018 after Star left and Short got old

He'll fit right in because our run defense stunk last year compared to previous years, LOL.

2022 Saints defense vs. rush: 25th (attempts), 24th (yards), 14th (TD's), 20th (YPC)
2022 Panthers defense vs. rush: 23rd (attempts), 18th (yards), 21st (TD's), 12th (YPC)

We gave up 316 rushing yards to y'all last year and the Falcons went for 200+ in both games.

#9 is the starting point to get that paw in the door, boys and girls. 

23 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I hope this is just to drive up the price for whoever ends up with him.

Hell yeah! Show me the picks!

23 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Payton would make Corral look like a young Drew Brees.

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Realistically have a better chance of making Corral look like Garrett Grayson or Ian Book but fork over the goods and we can see. LOL.

8 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Yeah, sorry. I don't support football teams in any way shape or form that hire head coaches who previously ran bounty programs where they paid their players to hurt other teams players. Maybe you can look yourself in the mirror and be okay with that, but I can't.

Damn, this thread is making me sad by reminding me we were one pick away from Mahomes falling into our lap.

48 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Kamara not playing would be a disadvantage for the Saints. Winston's injuries are no an ideal situation either. 

Their defense is still very very stout, their oline is not shabby at all, and they still have Ingram in the backfield, Thomas waiting to catch 15 slants on 17 targets for something absurd like 150 yards. In other words they are still extremely capable of dinking and dunking and power running their way up and down the field to victory.

I think all our guys will play this week, Kamara and Winston included. Winston shouldn't be as hampered as he was last week if his injury is actually what's being speculated as (transverse fractures) which were the same injuries Cam Newton had after the car wreck in 2014 and Derek Carr had in 2017 (both missed a game but played the following week). It'll be a pain management deal, but he shouldn't be in nearly as much pain as last week.

Defense indeed has been stout (only allowed 3 TD's so far) and should be even better if Adebo returns this week after missing the first 2 games.

Our OL however has been a bit shaky compared to previous years. We've been running the ball well (including pushing around the Bucs' front 7 last week), but pass protection has a lot to be desired allowing 20 pressures on 74 pass attempts (10 sacks, 6 hits, and 4 hurries) through only 2 games. If y'all can generate pressure consistently all game, y'all will likely win with how anemic our offense has been. First one to 10 might win, LOL.

23 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/new-orleans-saints-sean-payton-on-the-hot-seat

You can’t act like it wasn’t real. I vividly remember PTI segments discussing it.

https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_9569bfba-d5c0-5e83-9c31-30a745118543.amp.html
 

here is a more local flair

Again, neither fans nor the media influence the job security of a head coach; especially in a small market like New Orleans with a stable ownership and front office like we have in place. The media might have far more pull in larger markets like New York, Los Angeles, Dallas, ect. But not here.

If the fans and media in smaller markets had that much pull, wouldn’t Rhule be fired by now? 

Also that first article made me laugh on the discussion about how bad Allen’s defense is only a year into his tenure at DC. Fast forward to three top-10 scoring defenses (including two top-5’s) later, safe to say the media doesn’t know . 

7 hours ago, jb2288 said:

Pretty sure their rights to him end this year 

Unless a team ponies up to the asking price, he won’t be on a sideline until 2025.

And that’s only if his contract doesn’t “freeze” due to him not coaching. I’ve seen conflicting stories of whether it does or not. 

7 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

You can't tell me there wasn't fire Payton rumblings in the saints fanbase.

Dang, I must’ve missed the meeting where the fans got to vote on the job security of the head coach! I didn’t even get as much as an email despite having club seats!

C’mon now, you know every fanbase has its share of *** clowns that just want to remain miserable regardless of how things play out every season. We’re no different. Hell we had threads by those aforementioned “fans” wanting to get rid of Brees for challenging the franchise tag we used on him.

There’s a reason we aren’t paid as fans. 

12 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Remember when he was on the hot seat after 7-9 for 3 seasons in Brees’ prime to be saved by that great 2017 draft class from Loomis? Pepperidge farm does.

Pepperidge Farm also remembers he had just signed a 5-year extension (through 2020) before the start of that 3rd 7-9 season in 2016. He wasn’t going to get fired 1 year into that extension that was paying him $9M per. 

TL;DR - his seat wasn’t hot

16 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

I guess I should have said "The human element is part of what makes Football the greatest sport."

Refs have been influencing games since the game was invented. Human error is trying to be erased, but football isn't designed that way. It is the ultimate in human interaction.

Exactly, the technology is there to drastically improve the quality and accuracy of calls in games and the NFL either drags their feet in taking advantage of it or downright refuses to implement it.

NFL officiating in its current state is not a flaw, it's a feature which the league office will use to their advantage at every step.

Hate seeing any team get outright screwed, division rivals included, but welcome to the club.

The league office especially has it out for small market teams because they know they can get away with it.

On 9/9/2022 at 10:28 PM, YourLastThought said:

I don't have much pull here but if you like a roast then you should have one. The regular laugh roast as well as a good Cajun style pot roast. You are probably the most friendly Saints fan I know of so if anybody deserves a good pot roast it should be you. I still hope Jameis throws about 75 ints this year but you I just can't be a "meanie head" to due to your friendly easy going in saints fan like nature. I think you may be just confused and you should probably consider defecting over to Panthers fandom. You could be Iron Panther and you could bitch with me about wanting coach Rhule fired and you could tell us all about the days of good coaching with Sean Payton (great coach but what a douche). It would be a good match. You spend enough time here that you should probably just turn your back on your buddies and come be a fan of this team and get your laugh roast and pot roast banquet we discussed.

I appreciate the generous offer, but I'll have to decline the offer of defection, friend! LOL, it's actually funny you mention that because within the last week I had a similar offer to switch allegiances on the Falcons board. Safe to say I'm not that depressed!

I guess I'm just being to nice to y'all these days when I post.

But I do sincerely appreciate the kind words, I just love football and enjoy posting on a variety of NFL boards, getting to read y'all views of y'all team (and our team when we're scheduled to play soon). I find it can certainly improve one's knowledge of the NFL and its players as a whole. Here and there I'll engage in a little smack talk, but it's largely all lighthearted and fun.

On 9/8/2022 at 6:12 AM, ForJimmy said:

Just argue with the ESPN writer. They wanted to pull offensive starters, but unfortunately starting LT Penning got hurt. Great the guy he was drafted in the first round to replace is also battling an injury. If Penning was definitely going to be backup all year (which your dumb argument of another rookie who might have, but actually started week one is something you are clinging on to), it would have been noted by this writer. Instead they were talking about how the Saints couldn’t avoid injuries to all starters. 
Lol at trying to flex about posting on other boards. My point is 1st round OL will see the field even if they have to move them out of position whether it be OG or RT. Your guy was already getting reps with the 1s and the season hasn’t even started. 
I don’t know if it’s Pride or ignorance, but if you still can’t grasp that the 19th pick in the draft who was splitting reps with the 1s after one preseason game wasn’t going to start at some point I’m going to write it off as a lost cause. Go run along and bother some Falcons fans now.

Yeah, he started at LT that game because the guy in front on him didn't play while recovering from injury. It's not that hard to understand. If they were both healthy, Hurst was going to be starting Week 1, period.

Saints tackles Trevor Penning, James Hurst exit practice with injuries - 8/17/2022

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The New Orleans Saints depth chart took a hit on Wednesday with both their starting left tackle (James Hurst) and his backup (Trevor Penning, a rookie first round draft pick) leaving practice early with apparent injuries.

Saints’ James Hurst looks ready to go for Week 1 - 9/2/2022

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The veteran left tackle suffered a foot injury during the Saints’ joint practice with the Green Bay Packers a little less than a month ago. Out of caution, Hurst sat out for the next two preseason games but was a full participant in practice on Thursday.
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Hurst was initially competing against rookie Trevor Penning for the left tackle job, and after a strong showing in the first preseason game, Hurst rightfully claimed a starting role in 2022. He mainly served after as a backup to Terron Armstead last year.

Yeah, we'd totally be holding Hurst out of preseason games as a precaution if he was going to back up Penning all year.

On 9/8/2022 at 6:16 AM, ForJimmy said:

On a side note. No more mentioning Brees in topics. It attracts some of their troll fans…  I swear you can mention his name across the world and some “Who Dat” fan would pop out from behind the corner bragging about how many times he choked in the playoffs.

I honestly wouldn't have even quoted your first post if it wasn't so blatantly inaccurate. You brought this upon yourself.

On 9/8/2022 at 4:56 AM, YourLastThought said:

I'm going to make sure to get you some sort of award made up for your years of posting time here so we can present it to you at your annual banquet and roast.

I appreciate your generosity, kind friend! I'll be sure to put it on the highest shelf above the mantle.

Not gonna lie though, a roast would be fun.

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

You really think a first round pick that was splitting reps with the 1s (against the guy he was drafted to replace) wasn’t going to get a starting job this year? Icky was in the same boat as Penning after one week of preseason then he “won” the job. The example you keep using is another first round rookie WHO STARTED his rookie year. 

Moving goalposts? I stated you lost your left tackle due to injury and you stated he wasn’t going to start this year. We are still debating that original statement. Do you even know what moving the goalposts means or do you just use it as a generic rebuttal to people arguing with you?

The fact that you have been on an opponent’s message board for a long time is suppose to redeem you? That some how makes it more pathetic. Must be great to be a Saints fan crawling on to opponents boards for all these years! How exciting!

Recap of his last game 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34466638/jameis-winston-efficient-brief-debut-new-orleans-saints-trevor-penning-trequan-smith-leave-hurt?platform=amp

The Saints quickly began to pull offensive starters after that, replacing the entire offensive line and Winston on the next series. But it wasn't quick enough to avoid injuries. Starting left tackle Trevor Penning, a 2022 first-round pick, went to the sideline and was carted off with a toe injury.

Again, no clue what you're talking about. Penning wasn't drafted to replace Hurst, he was drafted to potentially be the future successor to Terron Armstead who is in Miami and not splitting reps with Penning. Hurst entered camp the incumbent LT1 and he exited camp as the LT1, they gave Penning the opportunity to take the starting job and even though he progressed from where he started camp, he didn't surpass Hurst.

And that's good y'all rookie tackle won his starting job. It has zero bearing on whether our rookie tackle won his job. Penning was with the 1st team OL against the Chargers because Hurst was still dealing with his foot injury. If Hurst didn't injure his foot in joint practices with the Packers, Penning doesn't get those additional snaps. Even if Penning didn't injure his toe against the Chargers, guess what? Hurst would still be starting Sunday against the Falcons.

Penning was with the starting OL the last preseason game out of necessity. The same reason Ramczyk started his rookie year, out of necessity because Armstead was injured at the start of 2017. Are you actually that dense or should I draw you a picture in your favorite color crayon for you to maybe grasp it better?

And I post here (and quite a few other NFL boards, including all NFC South boards) because I typically get very good football conversation out of the majority of posters here, unlike this **** stain of an argument you're trying to prop up.

21 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Yep. I actually posted how all the first round LTs were doing when people were freaking out about Icky struggling early. Are you trying to tell me Penning wasn’t on track to be your starting LT? A first round pick splitting reps with the ones early in the preseason and you think he was going to ride the bench this year?? You think I don’t know about football, but how could you possibly miss something so obvious? Wow…
Sorry I don’t recognize random guys on the Saints roster you can put little laughing emojis or lol until you are crying but at the end of the day your team lost to Sam and Rhule. They could only get 7 points? How many players on offense were injured? Now your coach is retired, Brees is gone and you lost half of your secondary.  This brings you here posting on other team’s boards. Must be an exciting year for your Saints…

Penning gave up 5 pressures, a sack, and a penalty with the 2's in the first preseason game against the Texans. Does that sound like a player on track to win the starting job to you? They were giving him the opportunity to win the job, but he started very sluggish and wasn't capitalizing on it and they weren't going to give it to him so no, he wasn't on track to be the clear cut starting LT going into Week 1.

He didn't start making significant strides until after Hurst went down with his foot injury before the 2nd preseason game with the Packers. Yes, they were giving him some reps with the 1's in practice before then but he wasn't ahead of Hurst at any point during that time both were practicing.

Granted, he started improving when he got more time with the 1's but until his injury and in the event he didn't win the LT1 job outright before the season, his role was more than likely going to be the first man off the bench whether it be in case of injury to Hurst or Ramczyk or even as the 6th OL, but they wanted him to have some live snaps.

Again, this is the same situation we had when Ryan Ramczyk was drafted in the 1st round of 2017. Ramczyk didn't immediately supplant incumbent RT1 Zach Strief in camp that year. However Ramczyk did end up starting Week 1... but at LT, due to an injury to Armstead. And Ramczyk was much more pro-ready than Penning was/is. These are the facts, so no, you don't know what you're talking about despite the incessant goal post moving gymnastics you're trying to pull off.

But LMAO, I've only posting here for those reasons? I've been posting here longer than you have.

And thankfully I have because if I did just start posting here, I'd wrongly assume the other posters here were just as ignorant as you are but I know they aren't. You're giving everyone here a bad look not only to opposing fans but your fellow Panthers fans that would potentially consider signing up here with your bad takes.

Can't wait to bury him into the Superdome turf again Week 2.

Damn, 8 captains? Nice.

I think we normally do 6, or at least have recently, but we have at least 2 spots up for grabs this year ourselves.

Pretty far out considering the game is Sunday, but if it does pour then at least the field won't get torn to shreds the first game of the year with the turf.

5 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

One of my favorite NFL playoff games was the 1977 "Mud Bowl" between the Vikings and Rams in LA.  The first picture is Jim Marshall wondering what the he11 to do with this situation.

LMAO, that's phenomenal.

On 9/4/2022 at 7:56 PM, ForJimmy said:

He was already splitting reps with the 1s. He was drafted to be your LT THIS year, your staff was making him “earn it” like we did with Icky. You guys were so confident in Hurst you drafted Penning in the first. He is big, but a dumb ass who is going to get flagged constantly costing you drives. I was happy he went to a rival and not us. A big, dumb, bad tempered LT who bullied smaller schools his college career. Good luck in the NFL (well once he gets back from IR).

Lattimore is about the only name I recognize in that group of people you named. CMC actually played in that game, but you should still be embarrassed. Kamara had 5 rushing yards and 25 passing. How injured was your offense? Losing to Rhule and Darnold is a complete embarrassment no matter how you look at it…

Wait a minute, you can only recognize Lattimore out of that list of starting defensive players while simultaneously in the same breath trying to tell me who the LT1 is on MY team? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Go sit down somewhere and peddle that trash to someone that actually believes you know anything about football. You're done, my guy.

And that's cool, y'all then lost the following game where we started our TE at QB.

On 9/1/2022 at 6:44 AM, ForJimmy said:

Looks like big boy Trevor Penning is missing a chunk of his rookie season with turf toe. Now it’s Winston with no Peyton and no LT. This should make for a fun season…

Hate to break it to you, but Penning wasn't going to be starting this year. Hurst was, and still is, LT1.

Even though they spent a 1st to draft him, he wasn't immediately the heir apparent to Armstead. The same way that Charles Brown (our 2nd rounder in 2010 who Armstead ended up replacing mid-2013) wasn't the heir apparent going into 2011 when our RT Stinchcomb retired.

Ramczyk, who was much more pro-ready, wasn't originally going to be a day-1 starter either but ended up starting Week 1 due to Armstead's propensity to get dinged up, even in camp.

Penning was very raw, but they saw the potential he has and he's already made massive strides in his game in his first camp. Missing a significant portion of this season however will delay any further development which is very unfortunate but he will be a name y'all will hate for years to come.

On 9/1/2022 at 6:49 AM, ForJimmy said:

Let’s everyone not forget Rhule beat the Saints last year with Sam Darnold. I don’t care if they were missing coaches that’s the most embarrassing poo I’ve seen. All bragging rights are revoked from the Saints because the lethal combo of RHULE and DARNOLD beat them…

No one gives a **** about the coaches missing, they shutout Brady in Tampa without Payton. It was the myriad of players on the field we were missing that led to that Week 2 whooping.

No Lattimore, no Davenport, no Onyemata, no Alexander, no Gardner-Johnson. Literally half of the starting defense didn't play in that game. However, they all were on the field for the 2nd game and what happened? 10 points. First game y'all had 5 players with 35+ yards receiving, second game had 0. Passing attack was entirely blanketed and y'all couldn't run the ball, which to be fair y'all were missing McCaffrey who is more than half y'all offense so maybe it's fair.

On 9/1/2022 at 6:55 AM, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, except Eli Manning apparently. 

So there is your comparison. Eli Manning.

Wow

 Drew Brees. The next Eli Manning.

Eli Manning still going to end up in the Hall of Fame though.

But on the real, those Giants teams just got insanely hot at the right time and playoff Eli for some reason was ridiculous on those runs.

Oddly enough though, without our 2011 defense absolutely ****ting the bed not once, but twice in the last 4 minutes of the playoff game against the 49ers after Brees piloted 2 comeback drives to take the lead, Eli likely doesn't get that 2nd ring because they would've gotten dominated again in New Orleans the next week. See, it all circles back to the defense failing to protect a Brees lead late in playoff games.

23 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Payton has a winning record with Bridgewater and Hill, and Teddy was on pace to have a career year. Congrats on Brees throwing a bunch of garbage time stats in 2012 while losing a bunch of games.

You clearly misread the part where I said “sustained success”. Less than a season’s  worth of games between 2 QB’s across multiple seasons ≠ sustained success.

Also curious how you left out Siemian going 0-4 to support your point but I can’t blame you there.

But last I checked, any QB will lose a lot of games when the 3rd ranked offense in the league is scoring 28.8 ppg and the 31st ranked defense they share a locker room with is giving up 28.4 ppg. But that still doesn’t answer the question if Payton gets the credit for that season.

18 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Well that was an impressive hissy fit.

So, back to your "examples."

In the Brees Choke Era

2020: 5th in PPG Defense, 4th in YPG Defense

2019: 13th in PPG Defense, 11th in YPG Defense

2018: 14th in PPG Defense, 14th in YPG Defense

The examples you cited as "proof"

In 2012 and 2015 the Saints went 7-9 and missed the playoffs. So without any defensive help....they lost. That isn't going to the Super Bowl. That isn't even going to the playoffs. 

Burrow 2021

17th in PPG Defense, 18th in YPG Defense

Mahomes 2020(SB Loss)

11th in PPG Defense, 16th in YPG Defense

Mahomes 2019(SB Win)

7th in PPG Defense, 17th in YPG Defense

So, in the three Brees chokes, New Orleans was an upper half YPG/PPG Defense 100% of the time. They were a top 10 YPG/PPG Defense 33% of the time.

In the Burrow/Mahomes SB runs, their respective teams were an upper half YPG/PPG Defense 33% of the time. They were a top 10 YPG/PPG Defense 16.7% of the time.

These were just limited examples. If you want, I can easily destroy the "playing to seed" portion of Brees career. That's up to you.

LOL, “hissy fit”. Hey, if I get quoted/mentioned, I’ll necro-bump a thread to reply if I have to, you know that about me.

And that’s a solid stat pull (that’s what I expect of you ), however you’ve already deviated from your original argument. You stated Mahomes dragged “a weak defense”  to the Super Bowl (your words, not mine) which you immediately backtracked on in your next post confirming they were 7th in points and middle of the pack in yards. Same with Burrow except they were middle of the pack in both yards and points. Neither of those defenses would be considered “weak”; average to above-average, yes. That’s why I said it was a disingenuous argument when you made it.

As for the Brees portion of that, not a surprise you had to use the last 3 years of his career when his arm strength was clearly in decline to prop that argument up (and he still made deep playoff runs 2 of those 3 years) while simultaneously leaving out he won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked 20th in points and 25th in yards. Only the 2011 Giants have won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower (25th & 27th) than the 2009 Saints in both points and yards in the Super Bowl era.

And yes, it’s clear the Saints didn’t make the playoffs in 2012 and 2015 but the point I was making bringing up those seasons is Brees willing his way to 7 wins those seasons is nothing short of a miracle itself. Very few QB’s (if any) could’ve dragged those sorry *** defenses to 7 or more wins.

Aight, multi-quote bomb going nuclear in 3... 2... 1...

@Luciu5 

@joemac

That GIF is for you gentlemen.

On 8/28/2022 at 9:04 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not sure who's more delusional, @rippadonn with his Corral love fest or @Iron Saint talking about Jameis being a HOFer.

I'm disappointed in you, @LinvilleGorge! I can cut the previous 2 posters a little slack,  but I know you've been around here long enough to be familiar with my posts to differentiate when I'm being serious and when I'm clowning. Tsk tsk.

On 8/28/2022 at 9:06 PM, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

The sad thing is it's easier to believe Iron Saint is being sarcastic than rippadonn lol.

So does everyone here just share the same brain and take turns getting to use it? Hows that work, one poster gets to use it for a week or so before passing it on to the next poster or is it like a 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi thing?

I thought I was laying it on pretty thick, but I guess not after logging in to multiple quotes and mentions.

On 8/28/2022 at 9:08 PM, Chaos said:

We're talking about legitimate football stats and player comparisons, we've got a rival fan in this thread, and a team that some feel could be a shocker in the league this season.  Feels like old times and I like it, welcome back football!

Hell yeah!

On 8/29/2022 at 12:53 AM, GoobyPls said:

Yeah cause Payton was drawing up the perfect plays. If Brees went to Miami instead he would been out of the league 7 years ago.

Payton can draw up plays until the cows come home, but it took Brees to not only execute them on the field, but to perfect them week in and week out for a decade and a half.

There's a reason Payton hasn't had sustained success with any QB not named Brees.

Also you didn't answer my question from my previous post so I'll kindly re-ask to save you the effort of scrolling up multiple pages; so does Payton get the credit for Brees' and Carmichael's successes in 2012 despite not having any contact with them from mid-March through February or so? Same with 2000-2002 Kerry Collins. Pls & thx.

On 8/29/2022 at 8:11 AM, kungfoodude said:

I mean....Pat Mahomes drug a weak defense to a SB title. Joe Burrow almost did. I guess that is what real elite talent does, not need everything to be perfect around them in the playoffs. 

But were either of those defenses considered among the worst defenses of all-time? No?

As great as Mahomes and Burrow have looked thus far in their short careers, lets see one of them win 8 games with a defense allowing 29.8 ppg (2015) or 440.1 ypg (2012), much less "drag them to the playoffs". Then we'll have something to talk about.

I expected better of you, friend. You knew that was a disingenuous argument when you made it.

On 8/29/2022 at 8:28 AM, joemac said:

Do these Saints jabronis have a Google alert set up for Drew Brees or something?  WTF?

Yeah, and I got one set up for your mom too.

I know, that was childish but you know you laughed too.

On 8/29/2022 at 8:33 AM, OneBadCat said:

The Saints got away with multiple penalties that game.

Which ones specifically? Please elaborate.

5 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Shouldn't you be on saintsreport talking about how his second season removed from Lasic Jameis is going to ball out?

I mean I could, but it'd be much easier of a debate to have if I bring up that the reason Jameis will be a Hall of Famer is because the he's 2nd all-time in passing TD's before his 25th birthday, between Marino and Peyton Manning. And even that asinine argument is still more sound than the one this thread is about.

3 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Good to see you posting around these parts again friend.

Welcome.

Likewise, friend! Been popping in here and there across all the rivals boards lately when I can.

1 minute ago, rippadonn said:

They forget Chargers Brees used to run the ball more, Saints Brees became a pocket assassin.

Exactly, the patented "Marty Ball" offense of run-run-pass-punt.