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It’s different, and luckily not as bad as that hypothetical would have been. cam newton was immediately the exact opposite of everything Bryce has been. Caleb hasn’t touched that. it doesn’t matter. I think if we’d had rolled it back with darnold and co they’re not drafting anywhere near the top three qbs.

Skataboo isn’t long for the nfl. Hes kinda like Marion barber who really only had a 3 year stretch as a main running back, and then just started falling apart. Hes also dead.

Are you talking about Johnathon brooks? different drafts.

I am dying laughing at the Missouri kicker on the sideline that dude wanted NOTHING to do with a potential game tying kick. Looked horrified.

Cam also somehow got hip tossed 10 yards out of bounds by a db then got a taunting penalty

No. You can’t make me.

i dont know about every team but he definitely called Arizona and they turned him down to draft Dan Williams which is just two bad teams doing bad things.

/like Elrond talking about the battle of mt doom “I was there LinvilleGorge. I was there 17 years ago when the panthers running game had the ring. I was there the day the strength of delhomme failed.”

Broooooooooooo I dunno man

Or just blitz the a gap every play.

Skattaboo is doing his damage out of the RPO with dart a.) neither is going to survive very long. b.) we just saw what happened when Bryce tries a RPO and uh

hopefully the national media gives up on bryce with a new shiny toy in jaxson dart

yeah oof dart to bryce is not flattering for our little guy

Literally the last ranked defense in the league.

Not extending norman was the right move btw. History has born that out. getting nothing for him to prove a point was peak stupid machismo bullshit.

It’s not. It’s a factor of playing terrible QBs, or Penix having the worst game of his life. but beating up on the corpses of kyler Murray and Tua is a start.

Jeff otah wasn’t even hurt, he just didn’t want to play football. He was rehabbing his “back injury” at a massage envy and tried to reimburse the team for it. When he went to the jets they gave him a physical and then quietly released him. Word got out on him fast. He was a big contributor to the whole “Nigerians are soft” racist narrative. The team doesn’t go to the playoffs in 2008 without him, which in retrospect might have been good for the franchise. the better what is from that draft is that the panthers were going to take Ryan Clady but the broncos sniped him. Second round would have been Matt Forte. Basically the same draft they had but you get a ten year offensive tackle and keep the 2009 first. Hurney was very successful early on in free agency, but later they just didn’t have the cap space to make stuff work. Obviously Davis, but also proehl, Jake etc. Ken Lucas was a big get. Kemo’eatu was a huge signing at the time but he just couldn’t stay healthy and was kinda a product of the system in Baltimore. Eventually blew out his Achilles doing a warmup jog at training camp. moose was never going to resign. He wanted the big contract and the panthers weren’t in a position to say no. They’d signed Steve smith to a huge contract extension before the 2004 season and couldn’t afford both. Plus, Keary Colbert was second team all rookie that year and looked ready to step into moose’s shoes. PLUS plus, Hurney eventually brought moose back anyway! I don’t think the panthers are winning a superbowl in 2005 with another receiver. The Seahawks were very good that year and they just didn’t have the defense to stop their running game. The real thing there was the bears game. Whoever won that game was losing the next round regardless; that was probably the best pure football game in panthers history and both teams were destroyed. Peppers was probably playing in Seattle with a broken collarbone. your big what if team was 2004. That team was so fuging loaded and they just couldn’t catch a break. It’s a testament to how good they were that they started our 1-7 and missed the playoffs just by the most bullshit fourth down fuging ten yard hover dive from Vick I still cannot get over.

The shutout needs a GIANT asterisk

Lions baby

Jameis is on a very cheap two year deal and is effectively backing up Jaxson dart and I cannot believe I’m saying this about that white trash little freak. the nyg qb who’s available is unfortunately Russell Wilson, though I do think a this offense is basically Russell Wilson bullshit lite.

Seven turnovers through five games with middling offensive production is eeeesh

I mean they’ve lost both of their offensive tackles for the year. I agree they feel like they should be better but at this point they’re kinda fuged.

Hurneys drafts didn’t get insane until after he won the power struggle with Fox and it became less a collaborative approach. he was involved in the 2001 panthers draft, to what extent we don’t know. 2002 through 2008 were all very good drafts top to bottom. Obviously some top line panther players, but tons of guys that hung around the league forever, and a bunch of contributors at all rounds. Even what is considered a “bad” draft, the 2005 one, still netted Davis, Geoff hangartner, and Evan Mathis who’d eventually do a bunch of horse steroids and become one of the best tackles in the league. 2006 is maybe the best draft in panthers history. 2008 had good players all over the place, lots of guys who got second and third contracts in the nfl it wasn’t until after Fox was pushed aside after 2008 that things really went south. They traded up for Everette brown (Fox didn’t want him) and it just took years to recover from that. Hurney could also never figure out the defensive line; he just didn’t have an eye for that talent. He drafted Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy but couldn’t get anyone in the middle and that’s what eventually killed him…..before he came back. the overpaying their own players (James Anderson the most egregious example of this) was partly because Richardson had to win the team back over after the disastrous 2010 and he was liked. It was also part of how Richardson wanted the team run; they’re never going to be big market but they’ll take care of their own I’ve always said that hurney never got over the high of his early career where he just couldn’t miss and he started taking a lot more chances. He always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and you really saw that with how he tried to address the defensive tackle situation. He was going to get all these low experience college guys and change their position and he was gonna draft them two rounds early but it didn’t matter because he’d be proven right in the end. He was best when Fox was there to remind him that hey we actually need football players and it just projects. Like if you want to cry look at offensive players drafted two years before cam newton to 2012. Just get ONE fuging starter in there and cams entire career would have been different. But he could spot physical talent. Jeremy chinn was probably the most Hurney of Hurney picks, and I’ll never understand how Rhule fuged that up so bad. Chinn looked like a bigger Ed reed his rookie season and then was ruined. in conclusion, I think Hurney was a good drafter who hit a very bad stretch during a period of turmoil within the franchise that was partly his fault, partly the owners, and partly John fox’s. He had a ton of wild ideas that worked out, from players developing to hiring coaches specifically for the offense (chudzinksi) to trade moves etc. but he was his own worst enemy and probably shouldn’t have been hired again. He was an expert at playing office politics and intentionally shied away from coaches that could threaten him, which is one of the reasons Rivera was hired. id take hurney back in a second.

Also there was interest in acquiring joe thomas during the 2015 season. This was when the panthers were realizing just how good they were that year but before the trade deadline obviously. It was gonna cost a 1 plus. i think we’d all agree we’d trade Vernon Butler for a superbowl bowl with Joe thomas at left and Mike remmers dead in a ditch.

Gettleman specifically did not and there are multiple stories of him changing his mind at the last second and being like “I’m the GM it’s a gut call blah blah blah” all the scouts had told Devonte Adams he was going to be a panther, then at the last second gettleman decided he wanted Benjamin exclusively because of the catch in the national championship game. he did the same thing with andrew thomas in New York.