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And yet all those players were part of a defense that was top five in the league, and without them…. At the end of the day the defense was gutted/allowed to leave so the panthers had the flexibility to improve the wr corps and offensive line. The result is what we see. Dave Canales deserves blame for parts of this. He was the coach. If he had no say then there’s no need to keep him for a rebuild. If he was in favor of it then he’s a moron and doesn’t deserve to be kept around. if he was against gutting the defense and overruled, which I sincerely doubt since it’s not even a unit he has say over, then fug it keep him around because nothing matters with this team.

Did Canales not have any say in the roster composition?

As a leader of men can you see the only person bringing up religion here is you? In multiple threads? I intentionally left any cracks about this freaks beliefs out because because people like you would happily hop up on the cross to deflect blame. I guess you’ve shown me that doesn’t even matter with my you people? Also “as a leader of men” are you fuging kidding me get the fug out. Go teach fat kids how to set up a tent.

/glances at records and point differential

I wouldn’t follow this guy into the appliance section at Lowe’s.

I mean it’s been a while since I read X-men regularly but maybe Mr. Sinister could figure it out?

Oh my GOD

Okay today he’s the worst head coach in team history.

if you read the article about his offseason, where he completely detached from football, sat around watching youtube and occasionally going to the mall for shopping, in the proper clinical setting those are symptoms of depression.

the moves that gutted the defense were made after he was hired. did he have no say?

He was spending his travel per diems on strippers and booze while his wife back home couldn’t afford groceries for their children.

I think with the 2001 team specifically it depends if it was before or after the redskins game. prior to the redskins game they were very competitive, just couldn’t catch a break. Then Arrington housed that interception and the entire teams souls left their bodies and independence could have beat them.

I work nights at the hospital and sometimes I have easy nights. what’s your reason for being awake at 1130?

Yeah but we’ll never know what actually happened with reich, because I think at this point we all agree no former nfl player would have met Bryce and drafted him.

That’s not the point. The Panthers need someone who has a good eye for talent, especially with the draft. The best rookie player on the team (I think most of us would agree) was waived. Doesn’t fill me with confidence he’s the guy to lead the rebuild.

Again, no one forced him to take the job. and again, no one else considered him for it.

I don’t know. I haven’t watched those games. they probably dog walk the panthers tho

I’m not ignoring anything. You seem to think I’m expecting wins, which isn’t the case. I’m just looking for competent offensive performances. To put this another way, the panthers defense went from worst in the league in 2001 to a top three unit in 2002. They didn’t have a great win loss total (way better than this poo lmao) but it was clear the team was moving in the right direction. Panthers were the worst team in the league last year and look even worse this year. The defense was gutted to improve the offense, and yeah having Marcus Mariota light you up sucks but that doesn’t mean the offense gets a pass for scoring only a pity touchdown in the game. and if we’re being honest, shouldn’t a competent offense score more points with a terrible defense because they have to keep up? Hasn’t been the case with the panthers across multiple QBs, with one exception.

Yeah so defense wasnt the issue today. I agree. And “detailed by penalty” yeah poorly coached teams get penalties let me ask this a different way; could Canales give a coaching performance so bad this season he deserved to be fired, in yours eyes? If not there’s no real point in continuing this conversation.

The best looking rookie was waived from the roster and placed on the PS

Brady is actually a very good comparison. he was a coordinator at New Orleans, one year playcaller at LSU, and was completely not ready to be an nfl offensive coordinator. He went to Buffalo as a quality control coach (basically telling players to get away from the sideline) and works his way up. That’s what Canales needs to do.

The broncos didn’t take the lead until 6:51 in the second quarter. Between the panthers scoring a td on the short field and that, the panthers offense didn’t get a first down. No one is claiming the defense is good, just that today they weren’t the issue. I can point out a coach has failed to do something he was hired to do, regardless of whether or not it’s possible. I agree he’s unfixable but no one put a gun to Canales head and made him take this job. At this point an argument needs to be made to keep him around, and so far that’s mostly “well the defense is bad too and it’ll look bad to fire another coach and he has t had a high first round draft pick yet.” either he can coach or he can’t and none of those arguments address that issue. He’s no longer a hotshit nfl coordinator; he’s a miserable disaster coaching one of the worst teams in nfl history.

Canales whole thing was qbs doing well with him, both in Seattle and Tampa. That was always nonsense, but the sword cuts both ways. Bryce had gotten worse despite an improved line and better receivers….so what changed? I suspect Bryce phoned it in this offseason and knows this for him, but we don’t know that yet. But at the end of the day, Canales was hired to fix Bryce. Bryce has gotten worse. Those two dots are not difficult to connect. and again, what was wrong with the defense today?

The pre Andy Reid chiefs were so bad players were killing themselves in the parking lot. It was the definition of a poo show. im more saying that its not written anywhere a coach has to get a high draft pick before he can be evaluated. does a high first spent on a defensive end change make Canales coach better?

They had plenty of interviews with reputable coaches last cycle after firing reich mid season before deciding on Canales. We’ll never know the workings of those interviews or what the employment structure looked like of course. I don’t agree with the implication that 5 coaches in 3 years is manageable but 6 in four is beyond the pale. Are you asking me to name specific coaches? So hold on to him for an extra season, win 2 games again next year, and then people like you would say we won’t hire anyone reputable if we fire 3 coaches in four years. They’re just numbers that don’t have inherent meaning.