Mr. Scot

For the most part, they didn't. There is that one notable example, of course.

Granted, but a lot of teams still regretted passing on him. Randy Moss was another guy like that.

Have said it a dozen times: Much as I love watching us win, if I'm not invested in a season (like say, this one) then losing doesn't really feel that bad.

To be fair, we had a head coach who didn't have a "head coach mind" from that time up till a few weeks ago. I feel like we could have nailed every personnel decision since January 2020 and still been a losing team.

I'd take him over Sam Darnold

I like having a higher pick, but higher pick doesn't guarantee better pick. A smart team can find an Aaron Rodgers in the twenties while a stupid one can get a Tim Couch at #1 overall. Wherever we pick, get it right.

And I'd previously have considered Stafford on the lower end of that tier.

Allen himself is hurt too. Gotta see what happens in December though. Honestly, to me the most interesting discussion coming out of Buffalo right now is whether Ken Dorsey is still as high on people's potential head coaching lists as he used to be.

You're going to get a lot of votes for Aaron Rodgers too. Probably also others. If you expand it to all time, You'll probably get a lot of Tom Brady votes, but is he really a better quarterback than say, Manning or Brees, or was he just on better teams? The whole "who's the absolute #1 best" discussion really only matters to sports fans and talk radio guys. Give me somebody that we as a team can win with and I won't give a sh-t whether somebody thinks they're better or worse than Dan Marino or Joe Montana.

I could sign on to that. Probably take a similar view of the coaching staff outside of two or three assistants.

Way too soon to know that. Plenty of teams who go to and or / win Super Bowls have in season slumps.

ESPN's opinions change on a regular basis. This is what I was just explaining in another thread. There's probably somewhere between five to ten to twelve or so that I could be fine with. As long as I've got someone in that top tier, I don't give a sh-t if they're the best, third best, sixth best or whatever. It's a team sport.

No problem with that. Where I roll my eyes is at the kind of folks who'd cry about having a guy like Justin Herbert just because he isn't Aaron Rodgers. You need someone on that level. Whether he's the best, second best or fifth best doesn't mean dick to me.

Don't know what happened here...

Disagree.

His quarterback coach / now OC also coached Newton.

High? Yeah, but history has shown it doesn't absolutely have to be #1.

Should probably add this... You could spend hours arguing which guy ranks #1, #2, #4 or whatever same as you could debating Manning vs Brady vs whomever. I think that's a waste of time. Find someone who's on that tier and I'm happy. Whether or not two or three other guys are better or not as good is trivial.

Same worry I'd have as a Bills fan. The Bills have made the same kind of decisions with him that the Panthers used to with Newton .

I've seen enough. But I prefer judging by the stuff they do more consistently.

I get that, but I've seen Brady, Rodgers and others do the same kind of thing. Mind you, that he's in that kind of company says something.

I could say that of Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Jackson Brady and others. Hell, today I could just about say that of Kirk Cousins. Every Reid quarterback I've ever seen play for someone else looked less special, in some cases fairly pedestrian. Mahomes is as great as any I've seen but you always have to look at all sides.

Still the same if you put Josh Allen under Andy Reid?

It's arguable.