Mr. Scot

Valid, and throw in that what Wilson and Smith did is not out of the ordinary for a WCO

Yep. His OCs back in his Seattle days were guys like Darrell Bevell, Brian Schottenheimer and Shane Waldron.

I need to go back and review this and the other thread

You're not demonstrating a very good grasp of the offensive principles here. Coryell: combine power run game with deep downfield passing to keep the box from being stacked underneath WCO: pitch and catch / extended handoffs; throw short to skill players and let them get yards after catch; backs are mostly fast, shifty types but it's good to have a power runner for short yardage and goal line situations; occasional downfield chucks to back the defense off the line but they're not bread and butter

I've primarily looked at the offensive side of things, likely because that's where most of the discussion is centered. Given there's a pretty solid chance we move on from Evero next season, I probably should pay more attention to the other side of the ball.

Pretty much... Typical WCOs do take occasional deep shots but they're not as reliant on them as a traditional Coryell style would be. Reid and NcNabb back in Philly certainly took shots downfield (and NcNabb was capable) but it definitely wasn't Coryell style.

I'd leave out the stats but agree outside of that. I reference Newton here because there was a long running debate here about tying the team's win-loss record to him.

Bryce: Point guard, WCO distributor Canales: Walsh style WCO influences You have to learn to differentiate between playing style and ability. Joe Montana and Chad Pennington were similar style-wise But there's a huge disparity between their levels of ability and success.

Probably more like the last two than the last three (three seasons ago was Reich). The team is showing legitimate improvement under Canales, But the goal isn't to be better than you used to be. The goal is to be great. I'm not convinced we reach that goal with Bryce.

What if the next DC prefers a 4-3 scheme though?

Tilis isn't really a personnel guy based on his resumé. He's more of an analyst/ organizational type. (that's why I wasn't in favor of him as a GM candidate) That's not to say he doesn't have personnel input, mind you. But that's not truly where his expertise lies. What he does bring to the organization is experience, history and a solid record in areas that aren't necessarily Morgan's strong suit.

He's already in the kind of offense that best suits his playing style... ...and it still isn't good enough

Young's playing style definitely fits Canales. On style only, it could also fit Reich but Reich had a well-known preference for taller quarterbacks. Bryce's stature would have necessitated some retooling that I'm not certain happened. His issues here aren't style related so much as they are his physical limitations.

It's also disappointing

Tilis? (I haven't looked back at the timeline but that'd be a connection)

Todd Wash has more coaching experience, more DC (defensive coordinator) experience, more familiarity with DC (,Dave Canales) and probably the endorsement of DC (,Dom Capers) from previous stops. That said, Cooley is considered a hot DC candidate and, for what it's worth, ties as both a player and coach to John Carroll University. JCU has been a factory for producing solid NFL coaches and leaders. There's also the other "Carroll connection" to consider (Pete)

Does Newton own his win-loss record, though? Tying quarterbacks to their team's record is a complicated debate. Most football analysts would say it isn't fair, but on the flipside it's a very commonly used metric. Ultimately, I'm comfortable looking at whether we win or lose with a certain QB, but I acknowledge the folks who don't think it's a fair way to judge a career.

Even if we couldn't have gotten Norv sooner, there were viable options other than Shula.

I think that ship has sailed. You could say "But what about Philip Rivers" but that begs the question "Why did the Colts sign Rivers rather than Newton?" Familiarity plays a role here, but still...

I was wondering...

Nice work, Verge. I agree with the general conclusion. Don't think either guy will make it.

I will say that as bad as some coaches can be about wanting to fix headcase players, fans are worse. A while back, somebody on here wanted us to go after Titus Young.

Was watching when that happened. The assistant or whatever she was that talked about "a man of his statue" didn't exactly help things.

He never reached the level of Aaron Hernandez

Might just not have been publicly known before that. Social media probably wasn't as big a deal back then either. I know some of the crazy sh-t Charles Haley did was kept under wraps for quite a while.