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15 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, who on the roster is better than Paradis? 

Hopefully we will see during training camp.

15 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

For Matt Rhule... I think if does indeed turn out to be the wrong guy for the job, I don't think he'll be fired for anytime soon. He was brought in as a guy that is known for rebuilding and not winning now. His resume shows that is takes him about 3 years to change the culture of a college team. This time, he has to adjust his self to the NFL as well as try to change a culture. So.. he will likely have that on his side and likely will be in Carolina for some years to come even he isn't the guy. 

I hope you are right.

Prayers for them and their family.

Football is just a tiny little speck in comparison to the importance of our children's lives.

High: CMC. Safe pick, but I think he comes back from injuries with a chip on his shoulder bigger than the one in 2019. I think he will get more rest with Chuba on the roster, but I think we'll see something more dynamic. He won't go for 2,000 combined again, but maybe he makes a run at the TD record.

Not Sure: Matt Rhule. I'll be honest, I like the guy but I haven't drunk the Kool-Ade yet. I think we are in the bottom half of the division again then you're going to hear a lot about another failed college coach who was in over his head. I hope that's not the case. He says the right things, he got the coordinators he wanted, his choices were all over the draft picks again. I think we need to at least be 9-8 at season end to keep believing in the process. There are a lot of questionable moves that could either pan out or crash and burn he's made this offseason.

Bad: Matt Paradis. I've been saying it for a couple of years now, he's just never fully recovered from his injuries and Denver sold us a bum steer. I don't see him starting past Sept. 30.

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I would be shocked if they don't just roll with their current options. They appear to be fully committed to Darnold so I don't think they are going to plan for anything other than him starting.

Which, in fairness, there are really not many good options available on the market at the moment. None that would be more than slightly better than Darnold, anyway.

If you want my honest opinion, I think Darnold has until the week before the trade deadline to make his case for starting QB. If not, I'd bet Fitterer will be on the phone looking to trade for/acquire Garoppolo from the 49ers.

We all should know if Darnold is the guy by mid-October. Hopefully he'll be out there knocking them dead or at least showing real promise. If not, we haven't got anyone in that locker room to replace him with and actually have a shot at salvaging the season. They will have to go out of the building if they want a vet or we will all have to endure another losing season and hope they draft someone good. If that happens, expect that Rhule will definitely be on the hot seat. If Darnold really does great, then we'll all be talking about Rhule's genius move.

27 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'd like to see a little more diversity in the backfield than we currently have.   A bigger back power.  

I kinda got the idea that was where Chuba came in. But honestly, I'm not sure Rhule is going for the power game at all. 

I think we will see three RBs: CMC, Chuba and Bonnafon. We won't run a FB on the roster, using Tremble in the role as needed.

We'll stash the UDFA rookie on the practice squad along with whichever FB has the best grasp of the passing scheme.

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think you will see a journeyman QB because this staff doesn't seem enthusiastic about veteran NFL guys.

You may very well be right about that. But  we could see a third or fourth year back-up being brought on. It would not be anyone who is a threat to Darnold. Is there a Temple or Baylor QB Rhule coached floating around out there somewhere?

11 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Wait, remind me again, who won when the Panthers played the WFT last year?

Yep, very true. And we won four other games, too. Woop woop woop.

Look, I agree it was time for Ron to go from here, it had run its course and the team had run down. He went to a team that had been equally run down, maybe even worse and pushed them forward into the playoffs for their first time in quite a while, all while cycling through QBs and battling cancer, while basically taking his old coaching staff from here to assist him. Got to give the man some props for the accomplishment.

Here, well, we're doing a total rebuild and it's something that needed to be done. We aren't the team we were in January 2015 and holding onto that idea had pretty much worn out the franchise. Rhule is building something here, it's just taking some time. In the end, it will hopefully be worth it.

But I had warned back when we were all clamoring for Ron to be fired, that it was very, very likely he'd return to prominence and competitiveness before we did. And he did. The guy gets a lot of hatred on this board as ex-coaches do for about every team's fanbase, but these hot takes that he's a trash coach just don't hold water after even the quickest of inspections.

13 hours ago, Snake said:

He made it with a losing record and with players not drafted by him.

Yeah, I know, we all know. But there he was, in the playoffs while we were sitting at home. 

21 hours ago, rayzor said:

Ron just doesn't have what it takes. 

Quotes like this rarely age well. I sure hope we outperform the WTFs this year, but I wouldn't bet against the guy making something happen at this stop on his tenure. He made the playoffs (I know, in the NFCLeast) while we were effectively out of the hunt by midseason.

Maybe we can crow a bit more effectively at the end of the coming season. Right now, we're the chumps.

My only argument might be PJ Walker. Just didn't see him lock down QB2 or even QB3. I think they'll release him and stick with Ramsey or pick up one of the journeymen backup QBs that are always milling about during training camp waiting for some team to give them a call.

Jake to Moose in the Super Bowl, beautiful bomb, Moose  breaking away and then the camera cuts back to Jake telling a Patriot "I got ya on that one you motherfugger."

And second place goes to Steve Smith's catch and collision and collision and collision and collision and touchdown run. He broke six tackles, outran another and shot down the field for a TD. At the time I swore he had hit all 11 Texans and was looking for another defender to shake.

Another great OP. And follow-up from @Basbear, too. 

We've gone from fretting over the O-line to actually debating pros and cons of numerous players who can/will make an impact. How that line goes will be how our season goes and we are at the changing of the guard part of the rebuild. 

It's pretty exciting. The game is won in the trenches and we're looking so much more ready for war.

5 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

The issue, to me, is that if Washington's offensive line was so stout, it wouldn't be purging starters and replacing them with a rookie and a low-level starter from Chicago. Morgan Moses is not going to do more for our offensive line than what we already have, and we would have to overpay to get him. 

The guy, for a multi-year starter and fixture on the line isn't demanding that big of a paycheck. Starting quality tackle  for less than $9 million and they are willing to release him while having to pay guarantees? If this doesn't make you pause a bit while kicking the tires, then you aren't paying enough attention.

@XClown1986 is probably onto something here. There's some kind of lingering injury or problem that hasn't come out in public yet. Might be best to pass on this and let someone else take a crack at it.

Great post!

It's definitely a wrinkle that gives me some optimism about the immediate future and explains a bit about the immediate past. That line's gotta gel fast and get smart fast to make it work. I can only guess that Rhule has his guys now, or at least ones that fit the mold.

If it works as planned, it could be a thing of beauty.

16 hours ago, stbugs said:

We didn’t sign proven starters.

This 100%. Doesn't mean that the guys we got won't go out there and have the best seasons of their careers, though. And with the right coaching and schemes they all just might. 

But from the outside looking in we're just a bunch of JAGs in Carolina blue.

Send him to the Colts or Chargers. The farther away from us and our conference there better.

Let someone else try and cover him.

1 minute ago, ladypanther said:

How much do we need to sign the remaining draft class and how much did Fitterer say they wanted to save for the season to pick up players as needed?

Not sure, but I am betting most all of that money is spoken for.

15 minutes ago, RumHam said:

You're wrong. It's all clickbait at this time. 

Pretty much all clickbait is speculation. It holds no water right now and it's all based on us not making any big splashes in free agency or the draft. We did what we did and it doesn't impress anyone at this stage in the game enough to actually say we're better than we were. 

Hopefully when we get out on the field, we'll see that some really smart moves were made. But right now, from the outside looking in, we have more JAGs than the Jags. Of course, we did in August of 2003, too.

40 minutes ago, joemac said:

Our free agency efforts?  What does that mean?  They did great in free agency.  They also knocked the draft out of the park.  How can anybody objectively look at the roster today and somehow say it is worse than the end of the season last year?

You're right. We shouldn't pay attention to the number of guys we picked up with serious history of injuries. There's not a bit of worry in picking up Sam Darnold after three years stuck  in the Jets penitentiary. Nothing to see there, move along citizen.

It's all speculation at this time of the season, but honestly, considering last year's performance and our free agency efforts, were we expecting better?

13 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

If Darnold doesn't pan out, that is easily the worst assembly of QB's in the NFL currently.

And yes, that has been on my mind.

It has been one of my biggest worries about Rhule. Does he realize that even though he was an organizational rehab specialist as a college head coach, he doesn't have to make everything in his NFL job a rehab effort as well? From the walking wounded pick ups in free agency, to taking a swing at a historically bad-performing QB, to passing on draft picks to get more players from deeper in the draft... it just makes me wonder if he even realizes that he has better options out there available to him? 

On the flip side, if Rhule hits on one or two of these rehab attempts, he'll look like the football whisperer. But looking at this crew, those are some big ifs.

He's wearing a Panthers jersey now, so good luck to him. Hope he lives up to the potential.

Not a lot of info on him out there, but there isn't a whole lot of talent between him and being in the QB room during the regular season. Put simply, it's not like the other guys behind Darnold have a lot going for them, and maybe not even much at the QB1 position if he can't be rejuvenated.

Also, we have to look at who are serious contenders to take over Moton's spot at RT. Moton is going to expect top dollar in the marketplace and he may very well get it. I don't see us mortgaging the farm for a RT if we couldn't put more than a 3rd round draft pick into play for a very, very needed LT.

Also, I wouldn't be so sure that Trent Scott won't be the starting LT at the beginning of the season. Erving has the pedigree but Scott performed remarkably well for us when called on... better than Okung or anyone else we've had there for a while.

We've invested a bit in Erving, but if he looks too banged up to hold down the spot, there might be an injury settlement and a release. If he lives up to his old first round drafting, then we have a bargain there and Scott might have to take over for Moton next season.