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drafting a RB in round 5 affords you more cap to go get legit help for the D. The Gus Edwards, Zack Moss tier of RBs this past offseason is 10x the guaranteed money of a 5th round draft pick.

CJ Stroud will have back to back division titles, back to back playoff appearances, will have finished his first 2 seasons 8th and 11th in passing yards. TD is a Panther employee now.

I mean, there just isn't a comparable that exists for Bryce Young. It's the NFL. Best I could manage.

That might just be semantics though and us saying close to the same thing. Cam Newton got the most out of Philly Brown. I don't think most lesser QBs get that out of Philly. A lot of getting the most out of Philly was the stress Cam uniquely put on a defense. I don't consider Young dangerous when the play breaks down. I think he is just underrated or surprising when it does given everything you see. Brock is a bit like that too in reality. but I don't disagree with your 2015 Cam take. That's why I put it on Fitterer....because that is what he sold in a different package/language. Cam allowed you skimp on the OL, WR, etc. He sold the same thing for Bryce.

Hubbard, Sanders and a Mafah type would all be too similar IMO. All ideally early down rushers. Yes, I know they all can catch. But that's not any of their games.

The BIGGEST fail IMO was idiot Scott Fitterer's vision that Bryce Young was Cam Newton. Which is the reality of it. He sold it as a point guard but it's the same logic. That Bryce Young would be able to mask inefficiencies and make everyone on O better. In reality it's the polar opposite. Bryce is more a Brock Purdy. You give him weapons to distribute the ball to and then those weapons are the O. But it's not Brock Purdy making them weapons. They just are weapons. And Brock gets them the ball. It works off of the efficiency of Brock to just do a job. I think Bryce Young will be whatever his weapons are. We have below average weapons. We have a below average O. That's not true with all QBs. Some QBs can and do raise the bar by being the QB.

I don't think they did nothing and didn't try. I think KB was trying. I just don't think he was good. By the time they actually started pairing up Cam with some good talent his body was shot and the window closed. CMC, Samuel, Moore, etc. That's trying and it working. But Cam was done. But I always thought the best think you could do for Cam Newton was give him a good D first and foremost. They largely did it. Cam was basically the PG mindset come to life. Only he wasn't a point guard. He was a one man playmaker and they took advantage of that, that he could make everyone around him better.

I thought 2014-17 was pretty weak. But I never thought KB was ever actually good. Just thought he was a large bodied JAG that was a product of being an over targeted WR his 1 year. He was almost top 5 in the NFL in targets and managed to squeak 5 yards over 1k. Fun fact, if you gave XL the same target share....he would be KB.

We talking 5th round we can spend all the higher picks where the good defensive prospects are and more importantly we can go into FA and spend money on defensive players (and not on FA RBs)

He was a 2nd round pick. But a team can probably have him in FA for a couple million in guaranteed next year. the 5th round RB Denver added last year is only 300k in guaranteed. That’s why you draft a RB. You then go spend the actual money elsewhere. You don’t need to add FA RBs. Cost is too high. Value too good in the 5th-ish round for RBs. LITERAL peanuts in cost for good players see Hubbard. He was a peanut RB. No cost for years. And a good player. Math is just good in that mid to late area and it’s not close to the undrafted guys. 5th rounders are studs at power 5 programs (that’s not comparable to undrafted who weren’t studs at that level of play)

let me try one other way, name a RB that represents the type player you would rather add in FA then.

RB in the draft comes with higher potential and is likely cheaper. Especially if he turns out to be good and you want to keep him around. Money/cap can go to harder to find positions. position is devalued which makes RBs in that range have higher odds of actually becoming real NFL players vs other spots in that range. It’s just a good positional bargain in the draft.

He didn’t move the goal posts. You need to play multiple RBs in every single game you play. It’s not a backup in reality, it’s part of a RB committee. You need that in the NFL.

that’s not where teams find them

adding to this. coincidently, Hubbard and Henry had the exact same amount of receiving yards. Bryce Young 10000% has a need for a legit rec RB in the backfield since he arrived. He needs that RB to play w/ Hubbard. That's not Hubbard's game and he didn't produce as a receiver this year.

Bryce Young is our QB. We need a 1b for Hubbard. Even freaking Derrick Henry has a complimentary RB that plays in every single game. This isn't a backup QB type thing that never plays pending something bad doesn't happen.

Cam's MVP season was as meh OL, Stewart and Olsen.

That's why I am saying I think it people overall having different discussions. Some people are fixated on what Bryce is as a 2nd year QB coming off his horrific NFL start. Some are just talking about QB present day QB play. I mean if we are just discussing present day play at the QB position and what your guy is presently doing....what year they are doesn't really matter there does it?

Panthers org has an obsession with putting money into the RB spot. In terms of guaranteed money, the Panthers under Tepper have basically been committed to always have top 10 money in a RB. CMC to Sanders to Hubbard. That's not worked out very well in the Tepper era.

I maintain the same position I have had for YEARS. We should never in reality be paying FA RBs or extending contracts to big money. We should steadily be drafting RB year after year....and investing the real money elsewhere.

I think it's just people falling into 2 different discussions. A-some largely are fixated on what Bryce WAS vs what he IS now. B-some people really only care about what he is vs the field. So what might be noteworthy for an A discussion, but just doesn't matter to people that largely care about B. That's me. I mean, again, Bryce is clearly improved. But I can't think of a single QB where the argument they are good comes down to using the last two weeks of play Bryce has done as the justification of the statement. Not when folks are just talking about being a starting QB in the NFL and the convo not being more so about what he was. I mean, Spencer Rattler vs Josh Allen. A good day for Spencer might be highlighted that he was just not bad and didn't hurt his team. The Saints managed to win and he made about 2 solid throws in reality on the day with no negatives. But that game would not be available for Josh Allen in a convo of if he is good, it would work against him more than anything.

I'd like to see him travel before I paid him. He takes way too many snaps on meh WRs. In all honesty, the only game I can really recall him really on top notch WR most of a game (that also had good QB play)....Horn was really not that good. Mahomes/Hopkins had him looking bad.

the odds of hitting on a productive RB in rounds 4-5 is higher than a DE. Because the position is devalued. So the RBs are just flat out better at their position vs others. and again, Philly, Ravens, SF, Bills, etc. all just did exactly that in the last draft. Banking on 1 RB staying healthy is poor roster management. and again, we aren't a QB production heavy team nor do we project as such. Which means we need RBS, plural going forward. And that means multiple ones that can every week. You can't just have Hubbard on the field literally all game. Even Barkley and the top of the top isn't doing that.

Yes. We need more than Hubbard. Who isn’t a top 5 RB. And go check the last draft, teams with great RBs….drafted RBs in rounds 4-5. You complete and build backfields in the draft where it is cheap and you can find talent. and our PG QB that loves to play small could 100% use a recieving RB to compliment Hubbard and be there for when he eventually gets hurt