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I know somewhere there is a more active prediction thread. I just couldn't find it with a quick search.

Depends on how the ball bounces and luck of a season. Somewhere between 3-5 wins.

Ron is who you bring in when you need calm seas after a mess. I mean, look at the load he carried in Washington. People forget Ron was basically the face of the entire franchise at first. Not sure Ron could calm the waters in NY though. Think you have to get Rodgers out of there before any coach has a chance

Tampa was middle of the pack last year in YAC. I think that's just a product of the chunk ball approach. You going to get some. Seattle was never a YAC team either. Frankly, if you are trying to make Bryce work....you need a Joe Brady-ish variant. Maybe a not green type that can work the ball in the redzone and isn't overseen by a complete numbskull like Rhule. Bills are #2 in the NFL in YAC per catch. Last time the Panthers sniffed great YAC was in 2020 when they made top 10 in YAC per catch. Joe Brady. We bragged about drafting some point guard to dish it out that isn't a big arm QB......and forgot about all the rest of the puzzle that might allow that to work.

some of it's our weapons, some of it's our scheme/playcalling. Trying to win with Bryce Young and not fixating on YAC remains a silly experiment. That's why we are the saddest pass attack in the NFL under him. It's a horrible plan. And Canales is a chunk play OC. Another plan that makes no sense (but in fairness, the actual plan appeared for the chunk pass play OC to move on from him, hence the super quick benching). But it just leaves us in this oddball marriage going into next year.

real YAC monsters aren't the vertical route runners. Real YAC players take nothing and turn into something. But yeah, it's also got to be part of the scheme and making that part of the O. if you look at the NFL YAC leaders. Top 15. 7 of them of RBs. Basically 50% of the leaders in YAC are RBs. Which is what I have stressed since the day we drafted Bryce. What we need is someone like Buffalo has. Shakir is #3 in the NFL. That's a slot/YAC guy. if Bryce Young is your QB, you need people that can do something with a checkdown pass. I don't like the marriages under Tepper. Never have. Nothing ever fits a real vision IMO. Started with Rhule. Random parts put together. That's David Tepper. That's been his way. You want Bryce? Fine. Get him the YAC players and scheme. We have never done that. Want a Canales? Cool. Get him a chunkball gambler for his O. Get him a QB that fits that.

are you attempting to argue that AT is a YAC WR in the NFL.....because he caught some balls against the 30th ranked pass O? That's not what YAC and run after the catch is. AT is a savvy route running with great hands. He is going to catch balls if you highlight him. But it's basically throwing to a TE. TEs catch balls. AT probably had at most 10 yards YAC this weekend. The design of the O isn't even about that. It's why Bryce's throws are so often with the WR running toward a boundary. It also makes them safer throws. Designed for a miss to be out of play.

I think the main problem remains the Panthers have failed with their big picture. If you are going to play a QB like Bryce Young (which isn't my preference).....you have to build a team and have a vision that works for it. Which means receiving RB, slot WR......have a different priority than in some other offenses. Because you need a lot of explosive plays to morph out of the small ball he plays. He also needs a scheme/playcalling that fits it. Our talent doesn't match the QB nor does the playcaller IMO. That's been my stance basically since Bryce arrived.

AT is not a #1 in the NFL. I mean, if he is....your pass attack is going to be one of the least threatening in the NFL. AT on a well built team is a savy roleplayer you take advantage of on passing downs.

I mean, Bryce doesn't offer it. It has to come from those around him. From the day we drafted him I have held the same stance, you got to have an explosive slot WR and an explosive pass catcher in the the backfield to make this Bryce thing work. AT is basically a reliable small TE dominating the slot reps. And while that means AT has impressive numbers to an extent.....the O is not going to be threatening given how Bryce plays. We probably need a new OC if Bryce is your guy because at heart everything Canales has been around has been dependent on a QB that will throw the vertical balls. Which shapes the O and how the D plays it. That will never be Bryce. We have the 31st ranked O and the 31st ranked pass O. That's the Young/AT Panthers. But let's triple down on being the most non-threatening pass attack in the NFL.

Oh, I have seen bonehead Sam this year get lucky. That hasn't been completely erased. He is still clearly inside fighting to show himself to the world. Luck matters too. The ball certainly has bounced Sam's way often this year and the masses probably think he is better than he is right now.

Baker will be Baker. The pros and cons of a gambling gunslinger. Sam Darnold will go as Justin Jefferson goes. Not sure there is really a corner in the present day NFL that can actually take out anyone.

he is a savy small TE w/ great hands. While I get his pros on a team that lacks any real consistency......AT dominating the slot lowers the ceiling of a Bryce Young O in terms of explosive play potential. Because Bryce Young is going to need explosive plays to come from the slot and backfield.

I feel like the Jets, Browns and Panthers all share something in common and.....and that's the real story. And it isn't Sam and Mayfield played between the 3.

Darnold was orginally recruited to USC to play linebacker. That was peak USC too. Very physically talented athlete. Textbook stud HS athlete. He played LB, WR and QB.

problem for me is he is a #2 that has to hog up so much of the slot work. If he was a #2 and dominated reps on the outside I would love to have him stay. We need more YAC potential in the slot.

I mean, Sam Darnold did dumb things. And he would do them often after doing good things. Sometimes awesome things. Most of his career. Think a lot of that has to do w/ not having good coaching or with a good org (Jets/Panthers). Just seems like they have figured out how to remove the dumb. Sam Darnold as most have always said, was a super physically talented football player. He potentially could of pursued other positions he had so much talent. Which we don't have right now. The Darnold and Young critiques don't run that similar. Most of Sam's critiques were about his decision making. Most of Youngs are about his physical tools. Basically polar opposites that simply have being criticized in common.

Or a 3 game stretch when he opened up here in 2021.

We have the 31st ranked pass O and 31st ranked O….and that’s with the highest paid OL in the NFL….and the Dalton games technically drive the number up.

They never even gave Baker the keys in reality. It was bologna competition all camp and preseason. Reps split and lost that were needed to go into a season with a new O and team. Everything is failure by design at the top.

We need to find several Cam Newton’s. Whether that be a player or coach version. Going to take some special people to dig up what has rooted in Carolina. Best thing about Cam was how he called out from day 1 essentially how messed up our culture was. Fans too.

Sounds like you found a keeper. You submitted her to torture and yet she sounded like she still was pleasant and delightful despite your best effort of making her sit through a Panther beatdown.

You fix it with the draft and FA…..and then you probably see the real fruits of that a year later. As I think we need a new D scheme too and DC

Hire a new DC. Spend the draft and FA giving him all the talent he wants