mav1234

Do we get to have our draft picks we spent on Bryce back? If not, I don't want either of them in particular lol

He's been a great pick up... One of the main reasons I'm excited to watch on Sundays now tbh.

I think you're right on 4 or above, tho we'll see. We could throw that all out the window by winning a couple hahaha. If we're at 3 and we get good offers for a QB I am open to trading down, especially if we can snag a first next year from a bad team. Then we can be the envy of the league with all our draft picks, just like the Bears were. Turned out so well for them But seriously I think we'll be in good draft position. No matter what, we need some kind of competition for Bryce next year, or an outright replacement if he collapsed back to 2023 form the rest of the way (I don't think he'll do this tho, just go back to being low end starter / backup material lol)

Tbf, Young started 9 games this year, not 11, and only has 54 yards total in the other 2 (Allen had like 250 in his non start in 2019). So, ya know, it's only a 1580 yard difference in four games .

The whole "Panthers don't have YAC guys" is a bit exhausting in a week where Coker has like 50 on one play. Sanders has half his yards from YAC this year. Bryce and/or our scheme isn't putting those guys in position to get YAC. Very often, the softballs young throws allows defenders to close. Some of that will get better with better timing tho, some of it won't because the coverages teams play as they aren't afraid of him deep. Some of it is Adam Thielen is our leading target and he can't get YAC at all anymore.

Holy crap. What a read...

if the NFL had just had a minor league...

I think there's a difference between questioning ownership and player evaluation from choices and GM's. I think both are fair game, but one set of those people make a living off of football decisions when none of us do, and often have a lot more insight than we do. Owners, tho, are arrogant and think they know more than they do - like most fans (myself included lol)

Think of all the draft picks we could have if we just traded everyone on the team

Good OGs are extremely valuable, and made sense given our OTs and QB. I'd rather have drafted a center but... We're in a good position for the next couple years on the OL now for the first time since, what, the early mid 2000s?

There's some big assumptions in here - first, I think Canales HAS helped Bryce a poo ton. To pretend he hasn't is asinine. Has he fixed him? I mean, the dude looks like he could perhaps be a backup or low-end starter now, whereas he looked like he didn't belong in the NFL a year ago. You're talking about a coach that brought one of the worst NFL QBs of all time to a point where he may actually be a low-end starter. That IS impressive. Second, the bolded. Come on - given the offense, the dude is far from "trending towards bust." He definitely needs work but he's shown an impressive ability to get open. He's contributing to an anemic offense. The dude is our leading receiver (though he'll be #2 in yardage by end of season by a little, as Thielen does better per game). As to his coaching, he had this team competing and believing against 3 of the better teams in the NFL, despite the lack of talent, and despite our QB situation. Yes, things fell apart vs DAL, and he was outcoached. But that will happen with young coaches IMO. I don't think it indicates he cant' be better. The idea of "pulling off the bandage" is ridiculous. Who would want to coach here if we fired this guy after one season?

I mean it's not even like this was his worst game of the season... I'm not done with him by any means but this feels more the norm for him than the exception:/

I'd give it a C mainly because of Brooks. If we just didn't have a 2nd I'd argue B to B+ tbh. Brooks was a bad gamble, tho one that could still pay off long term. Yes XL only has 400 yards but... Look who is throwing him the ball. And I think he isn't a "true #1" but he's been able to consistently get open. Hands definitely need to be cleaned up. But he should end the year with 500-600 yards. Like you said - Sanders looks great. Get him a better QB / more time with a QB and I think he's gonna impress. We added a couple rotational players on D that have both made plays and show promise for the future from later rounds. So I'd say, Brooks really hurts this drafts grade. It'll be interesting to see how it progresses over the next 3 years. I've overall really liked Morgan's FA acquisitions, so...

Tepper has fuged us so much. I wonder if we'll ever know definitively what power he exerted. It seems he's finally letting Canales and Morgan alone, so I'm really hopeful. The one heartening thing to me is we finally did the smart thing this last offseason and invested a ton in our OL. The problem is that left the D neglected... But I think this offseason can do a lot. I'm not as down on our offseason as others - our draft looks much worse because our 2nd round pick was a dud, but free agency wasn't bad, and we finally have young offensive weapons to have some excitement about. The 2 later round drafted D players both had some nicer games late this season - which is about what you can ask for.

Yeah, 6 or 7 makes sense assuming incremental Bryce improvement and not a backslide into last year. But we also could surprise in a weak division if some of our draft picks take big steps forward.

XL is a good rookie - but a rookie. He needs wrist surgery, but he's had a promising campaign Brooks yeah. That was a mistake. Wallace was starting to look decent. But injuries happen. Sanders looks very good so far. Smith-Wade has had a couple nice plays and seems like good depth. I don't think this is a failure of a draft class at all, still too early to tell, but some promising players.

I think it'll depend how well next year goes. If he's projected #1 overall because of pedigree and how well he does, why not?

How so? A dude that can catch anything no matter how well thrown seems like a good idea for any QB... And it's not like Bryce needs some huge speedster with his arm strength limitations

I don't hate Bryce at all, I just want better for this team.

Same way we'd get one by keeping Bryce, I expect. Drafting and developing someone new.

We've seen how well we do when we draft a QB #1 overall. It's time to build a consistent offense any way we can... And a clear upgrade path is thru QB. Time for competition.

I'd hope for a poo ton more than Brock Purdy for this franchise, frankly. I do hope Bryce turns it around and can play consistently at a higher level than we've seen. I just doubt it. He's lacking the physical tools...

I don't think Purdy is top 5 but he is probably a top 10 QB when healthy. I do not see evidence Bryce could get to his level yet.

Starting is about consistency. Within a game, and between them. And Bryce has seriously lacked it. Bryce has had a few good games. So did his receivers, frankly. So did his OL.

We invested more than $150 million and a 1st 2nd 4th round draft pick in our offense last draft. Bryce needs a perfect team around him just to look better than average...