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Still meh but I would still take EZ over him at this point. Better production, skills and size who is already an established rusher vs project.

The same reason people say there is less chance of a trade due to the nature of the class are ignoring the fact that's what keeps the door open for a trade. Everyone we have been staring at and debating at 8 are not that different then the guys in the 20s this year. It only takes 1 team to fool themselves into thinking that's not true or to let need take the wheel. It already happens here. Sanders, the rb, the TE, a possible OT or hell throw Walker into that pile. There are players good enough for someone to make a mistake but not good enough to worry about losing them in a trade back. Who knows. This draft is weird. It's going to be fun to see how that shakes down. With the quality NIL has brought to that level of play this could be the new normal.

Meh, he has big upside. Worst case he is more wasted physical talent. I still prefer a trade back and an extra pick early. Lots of meh at top 10 value this year but that isn't big picture long term terrible. Just meh.

Not yet. This should be a wait and see 4th year. If he has a probelem with that we should be taking an OT early. I have no idea where it all stands but there shouldn't be a route where we don't pick up that 5th year option. He has cleared that level. I'm also not sure on the difference in pay from OK LTs to good RTs. Would he get a shot at RT in 26 under that 5th year option? Would he even want to try? IDK. Not picking up an easy 5th is a red flag for me that something is off if not a smoke screen. Which would be weird given our history, like watching a frog fly from bumping it's arse.

I used to be. Didn't like smaller WRs where Smith was the exception to hold up. Now I just want them to be balanced and run routes. Sure the other guys can work out in rotation but I'm going the former everytime. Look Ickey has to take a huee steps this year. 63ish to 66ish isn't enough of a jump. Maybe not but his 5th year option is a no brainer anyways. If not it's RT or he should become a Moerig somewhere else.

Sure but LT is more like QB where scarcity requires adaptation. WR and Safety have plenty of guys coming out that can go the obvious route in their respective types. My example wasn't really well done I guess.

Would that be like route skills and catching vs potential and big body at WR?

It was such an overcorrection. Not having safeties that can cover just ignores everything the NFL has done the last 20 years. There is a front 7 and those guys need to be stronger against the run. Now a safety that can also tackle along with coverage? That's the dream.

Yeah that's it. Could have had Chinn at half the price. It was a mistake and I think they will have to eat that one hard this year.

I agree. The safety room looks bad and I think they already made their knee jerk reaction by signing Moehrig after committing to stopping the run in so many other places. That unit is set up for disaster IMO. Jackson nor Horn can't cover everyone themselves and if the passrush doesn't materialize then it gets real ugly. Richardson is the wild card but if you ask me to bet on the Panthers developing talent it's not one I'm taking, especially from Evero.

As it stands our safeties look like liabilities at this point. Not sure Blackmon helps much given how Moehrig is basically useless in coverage. Moehrig and Scott are huge red flags if that's their day 1 starters. Not sure Evero makes it through the season season if that is the case.

I like the first 2 for sure. Still they went and blew money on a SS that can't cover. They desperately need one that can or they are going to have containment issues. They have one special teamer who sucks and one young guy who hasn't done much of anything which is an improvement over the first guy. It's still a need unfortunately.

Not landing a safety in the first 3 rounds is going to be a hard fail for me just like no RB or WR later eould also be fails in this draft. Edge and FS look really bad without talent injections at this point.

The 5th option is an easy call. He already lit a fire himself after his 2nd season was bad. Even if he isn't a HoFer his 5th option should be an easy call. Long term negotiations shouldn't even enter into that but it should lean into it by giving a tradable year to the Panthers if he is negotiating that poorly. The only angle I get is that it effects the draft process and Moton. That's weird because of how poorly all of that has been since Tepper showed up. They figure out how to do basic draft posturing but still keep a dead weight DC comimg off of terrible season while building a D around that? Too difficult to guess but it's going to be interesting to watch it play out. It's just too hard to expect basic competencies still. Wel will see what the hell that is really all about.

I'm all for pushing him to take that next step but he is already a solid LT so the 5th option should be an easy call even if negotiations go sideways. Morgan needs to worry about dragging the D is to respectability because it's still not looking close to good.

'We are great' turns into 'ohh poop' real fast in the NFL. Moton has a 1 year contract and they just spent big on 2 OGs and a LT coming up on his big payday. He shouldn't be here next year given all of that. It's already the highest paid Oline. Teams need rookie contracts. How healthy is he anyways has to be added into thst mix too. All the home grown moaning is just a thing because they have been terrible at drafting and the stupid trade up to #1 IMO. Moore is the only one we are really missing. The OTs look better than the TEs and WRs. The entire buffet of D options is in that 'maybe but' category where need gives them more value.

I would rather have the FS than Golden. Golden looks solid, like him more than Tet from what I have seen. Still not ending up with the best playable immediately talent on the D would be a hard fail in round 1. The D's free agency injection was a start but not close enough to where it needs to be.

My 2 big negatives are not upgrading a one of many positions that needs improvement and not a good look for a franchise that is at the bottom of the leauge in wins recently. Bringing in a rookie to play next to Hunt and offsetting his bloated contract with a rookie contract is what good teams would do. It's set up for next year anyways and his health is an unknown at this point. No idea about the savings this year it would be a cya move moving forward for sure. Also, there could be a hole in the center of the line so it's not like improvement isn't unwelcome long term, even if they really need to find players on the D to inject imediate competition at the minimum. They still need to take one some time this draft and I'm fine with a later development type guy of Moton's wheels have one last year in him.

Best news of the offseason. No one who is available at 8 will be much different than in the twenties this year. Trade back with an additional 2nd is still my wish scenario.

The only part of this that is surprising post Carr is anyone wanting Rogers with the totality of what he showed in NJ. Dude is nothing but a name and a bag of cancer he brings with him. I'm glad Sanders is heating up. It increases the chances of a trade back and that's absolutely what I am still wishing for.

I only think they do that trade for Sanders if we are talking to other teams at 8. If they were woried about us taking their pick they would try and jump to 7. I have no idea what they want to do if Carr is not dead weighting their roster this year but they have to be looking hard now.

Right? From every angle it's a win. Not sure if getting more and sending it elsewhere or watching the Saints take Sanders while having to eat Carr's dead money appeals to me more still. Either way win-win for the Panthers

Just take less value for a trade back this year. 'But the trade value chart'... just doesn't matter when an extra 2nd should be enough to move back this year given the situation. I would take an extra 2nd over any player that could potentially be there at 8 and it's not close. Let the media bitch about it, just doesn’t matter if we walk away with an edge, FS and WR in the first 2 rounds given how close all of that talent is when looking at it big picture. Fug the value chart and just give me a decent additional 2nd for the win. All it takes is someone falling in love with Sanders or the RB or whatever. If there was more talent in this draft then that would be a terrible idea but turning down a trade because the value was less than other years when the tellent is obviously less at the top of this draft would just show how poorly the people in charge understand this class and it's weaknesses. It would be like not finding a slot WR or RB later, just dumb IMO.

Having Sanders go to the Saints is the consolation prize for not being able to trade back. That is a QB we should love playing agaisnt twice a year.

Emmanwori or Ez if no trade back.