Basbear

Depends on his behavior, but Id for sure do it if Bryce was truly clicking with him.

It's just the WR market is insane and this guy had some huge baggage. 

But so does Carolina.........

Morgan should have seen enough for there to be talks. Soon or later the Panthers MUST stop having 50 million in dead cap and be able to sign a couple difference makers. I think its either 3 or 4 years in a row with 50 million in dead cap, just piss poor GMing. 

29 minutes ago, Waldo said:

You notice that after 2007 those numbers jump up a bit? Maybe 2007 was just the J Russel effect but what comes after is the modern NFL even though it started to change in what 2004? with the CB stuff it wasn't full blown until then. It's more like comparing 90s numbers than to the modern stuff. 

I thought Winston was going to be a 10-15 year problem, sooo glad he went the better josh Freeman route. I mean prime Ryan, brees, and if Winston became that guy........Id hate to be a DC for Carolina.

 

The main deal is 1st overall pick goto the worse teams. 

Looking at the list only Burrow has been able to break the loser mentally fog over those teams. Goff was reborn for the lions and you could make a case for him, but 2nd team. Luck and Cam are about the same, injuries ended great runs. 

Burrow should get more MVP votes.

18 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

i will never forget his multiple end of game drives where the panthers were down like 14 points or so and there was just NO urgency at all. like he either didn't care, or didn't understand the situation, or was happy to just keep checking it down and walking back to the line. unreal.

The awareness was dogshit as well. 2nd and 16, WR screen to Adam thielen......fuging brilliant!!

Form Michael Jordan to David tepper, why God??.....WHY????

 

Jordan MUST have the lowest win % for owner over 5 or 10 years, need to see a list.

 

Tepper already has the lowest win % in ALL sports since he took over. 

Got to think Mevis is the better tackler right?? New KO rule seems to put loads more pressure on the kicker to make a tackle.

 

Side note, holy lee fcuk you guys are too hard on kickers/Eddie. 

Thanks to @Jackie Lee and @Captain Morgan for all the updates!

7 minutes ago, 1989 said:

Hindsight is 20/20

More to it, this isn't like picking a player 20 selections later or saying "Tom Brady derrr". Any one of those picks would have changed panthers history, recent history and all were NEXT PICK..

Loads of recent juice with the 163 million spent on OGs and I didnt list young or stroud....

calling my bookie rn

26 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Have you never sat down in a chair before? It's quite obvious Bryce is slouching compared to Dalton who is sitting up straight lol you people will try and make a big deal out of quite literally anything. What a fuging potato comment

Why are you campaigning to be bryces #1 high-chair provider??

Im going to start this curse in 2012 when Marty hernaiy traded a future 3rd in the order to Frank "wtf pot is legal now" Alexander. Well starting in 2013 the Panthers hired a new WR coach in Rickey proehl. He was already helping WRs transition to the pros. Keenan was one of those WRs and they held a workout at rickeys day at Proehlific Park in Greensboro, N.C.

First the 2012 "next pick"-

 

2	40	Carolina Panthers	Amini Silatolu	OG	Midwestern State	LSC
	2	41	Buffalo Bills	Cordy Glenn	OT	Georgia	SEC

 

Soft as wet mud silatolu or solid 8 year LT Glenn?? hmmm theme is a coming

 

Now comes the 2013 draft, hernaiy is finally canned and below is the rest

 

3	74	Dallas Cowboys	Terrance Williams	WR	Baylor	Big 12	from Carolina via San Francisco [R3 - 2]
	3	75	New Orleans Saints	Terron Armstead †	OT	Arkansas–Pine Bluff	SWAC
	3	76	San Diego Chargers	Keenan Allen †	WR	California	Pac-12

 

There is the next pick, well next TWO picks. Point is all the press leading into the draft showed the Panthers&Prohel drafting Allen. Or why not a stud LT?? See below....

 

4	108	Carolina Panthers	Edmund Kugbila	OG	Valdosta State	Gulf South
	4	109	Green Bay Packers	David Bakhtiari †	OT	Colorado	Pac-12

 

Kugzilla or stud LT, hmmmmm?? 3rd pick in a row that panthers could have landed an OT. Terrible!!

 

 

2014

2	60	Carolina Panthers	Kony Ealy	DE	Missouri	SEC
	2	61	Jacksonville Jaguars	Allen Robinson †	WR	Penn State	Big Ten

 

Sure buffet Kevin was picked with the first, but Dave drafted star and KK back2back. With Smitty on the outs, WR was a huge need.

 

SB break.....

 

2016

3	77	Carolina Panthers	Daryl Worley	CB	West Virginia	Big 12	from Detroit via Philadelphia and Cleveland [R3 - 3]
	3	78	New England Patriots	Joe Thuney †	OG	NC State	ACC

 

Thuney became the highest paid OG, while Worley is on his 8th team....

 

2018

 

3	85	Carolina Panthers	Rashaan Gaulden	CB	Tennessee	SEC	from Buffalo [R3 - 11]
	3	86	Baltimore Ravens	Mark Andrews †	TE	Oklahoma	Big 12

 

Think for a second Olsen and Andrews, NOPE gimme that 3rd rounder that no one thought to draft that early. Hernaiy is back btw......

 

4	115	Carolina Panthers	Christian Miller	LB	Alabama	SEC
	4	116	Tennessee Titans	Amani Hooker	S	Iowa	Big Ten

 

Pushing this, but I was fooled by miller and Hooker is a good safety

 

 

2	38	Carolina Panthers	Yetur Gross-Matos	DE	Penn State	Big Ten
	2	39	Miami Dolphins	Robert Hunt	OG	Louisiana

 

That's right the new 100 million RG was the "next pick" after the Panthers.......

 

Speaking of millions and guards in the same draft-

 

3	69	Seattle Seahawks	Damien Lewis	OG	LSU	SEC	from Carolina [R3 - 2]

 

 

There it is, panthers had a shot at their starting OGs WITH the rookie contract..........

 

Carrying on......

 

1	8	Carolina Panthers	Jaycee Horn	CB	South Carolina	SEC
	1	9	Denver Broncos	Patrick Surtain II †	CB	Alabama

 

 

Im ready- surtain is the clear better CB/player. 

 

Could go out on some limbs, but to remain with the theme of great next pick and huge panther miss. Easily add fire with young&stroud but it's too early imo. Dan needs to break this curse!

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, electro's horse said:

howard griffith if we're being honest

I still got memories of power I hooover and griffith.....

jeezz, bryce needs another seat cushion..... plus how the fcuk do you get mogged sitting down??? by Dalton of all people....

47 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

::shakemyhead: at this

 

wtf is our media team doing?  douchechills

I bet you're like me and a "older" fan........ you got to grab the attention of younger fans too and SM stuff like that is what works....

You may have killed yourself if they drafted rookie Cam in 2023, it would be 100x more of that stuff with him. 

22 hours ago, KSpan said:

 

What are you guys talking about about? Dude has been on the team for 2 years of a 3 year, $15M team-friendly contract at half the cost of Vonn Bell. You make it sound like he's been toiling in Carolina for years... dude hardly underappreciated by anyone that pays attention.

Look around the league, no safety is safe. Look at the current FAs it feels half of them are safety. He's had alllll different DCs and HCs, but remained for the new staff at the cut point of his contract. The defense did struggle when he was missing. 

The point of the thread was to name a over looked/under-appreciated player. 

 

I said Sam Franklin was my current pick, but Woods is a good pick as well. He's a true FS and those are harder to find than SS in this passing league. I don't remember him giving up any big plays either. They had a huge communication problem before woods was signed, he was the driving force at fixing that. 

Hes already been here. I seen reports that he was cooking up DB as a PS member. Then philly(I think) signed him to their roster as a TE. 

3 minutes ago, csx said:

Woods.....for  current players

He is.

He is one of the only players that's remained all the staff changes. No teams keeps safety these days, but woods is a rock. 

Wharton first pops into mind.

Jordan Senn is a ST one.

James Anderson gets washed over for all the LBs.

Hoooover, goings, wes Horton, and my guy Kyle love should be said. 

Sam Franklin is the current under appreciated panther champ. 

9 hours ago, rayzor said:

I think people are underestimating the talent we've gotten in our team now. Not saying we're great, but I think we're going to be a lot better than people think.

We're not that far away from being a solid playoff team.

Mock, poo, and/or disagree all you want, buy I don't think we're as bad now as we were last year. I think the coaching situation was the thing that sunk us. Not having such a clusterfug of a coaching situation cost us 5-6 games.

You can make a decent case that most of the starters are at-least average. But depth-wise, its awful, maybe the worst in the NFL. 

The only reason they could be a playoff team, is the awful NFC south and its collection of bad QBs and coaching staffs. That changed big time when cousins and Morris arrived to ATL. Now it would take a setback to cousins, in which he currently ready to play given all the stem cells and peptides stuff he has. 

In past years there was always some elite talent leftd on the 7 win rosters. Like many know theres just dbrown and a huge ? in horn. If hunt was elite, phins would have tagged him. There's no Thomas Davis, Luke, Cam, Olsen, peppers, kalil, beason, gross, Jenkins, Smitty etc on the team. Brown is great and all, but sacks and pressure wise, he's not game changing. Panthers lack difference makers, young ones. You could make a weak case for clowney, but that ravens D is stacked. 

Us fans just need to hope Dan Morgan can collect more young difference maker in the next 2-3 years. If Bryce isn't that guy, 4 years before this team can sniff the playoffs. 

Honestly the panthers are due some luck as well.

27 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Last season after the draft was mine. I didn’t like the Bryce pick, didn’t think he fit the system at all. He was my qb3 in the draft and the Panthers gave all that capital to get him. This would probably be second for me. 

That was me as well, I was holding out hope that all the reports were wrong. 

Then stroud had a MVP type season helping the team reach the playoff..... made me hate the pick even more..... plus its a 4 year sat-back if young truly can not play. At this point in my life, 4 more years just is not on my menu. 

 

I think hes going to have hands full holding off Michael Barrett. 

But if they are already giving him the green dot, they view him as the top backup. 

11 hours ago, strato said:

Why are they cutting a day of practice and training out?

I think nearly all teams do this.

But if there is any team out there that needs extra training, its the Panthers.

3 hours ago, RJK said:

Maybe they can teach him how to play with lifts in his cleats 

Im more of a stilts guy myself...