Basbear

Hes never finished a season, that's a issue. He's had two big injuries, I am willing to classify his chest injury as being "out of his control". You can be a dawg or super tough guy, but if your bones are brittle or tendons are weak, your body will fail. Again I have some friends in the strength community, only 2 players have I heard glowing reports without even asking- CMC and Horn. Horns problem was the same as CMCs, too much training= too much stress= injuries. Finding that balance is only for rare chosen, most these players are lazy and coast on gifts. Horn was a 8 year pro day one. Im a fan and enjoyed his seat belt playmaking, but Im a fan of players on the field. It seems a big portion of his money is tied to GP and I hope he earns it all.

Yep, might as well start the process now. I personally would avoid this and focus on the 20 other issues, but that could blow up in your face. Try to find a UDFA diamond and grow him with a year spent on PS. He missed games for the first time with knee and elbow issues. Plus if you look around the league at non-STers, 31 is classified as a fossil....

That's part of the deal, Shemer didn't do any of the drills. All he did was measurables stuff- https://www.nfl.com/prospects/shemar-stewart/32005354-4580-1492-6181-fbdcbaa932bc Some players are straight line players, but the field is 53.3 yards wide. That side2side movement is just as important if not more. Remember Taylor Mays and vernon gholston, they were super athletic *in a one direction ala north south, but football is played east and west too. Taylor did the same thing as Shemar, he skipped the 3 cone and 20-Yard Shuttle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Mays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Gholston Its rare but there are clear cases. One rando thought was, put Shemar at NT.....but then the I recalled his weight. If the QB knows a player struggles turning corners, all it takes is two steps left or right and you're finished. For a edge, that ability to "bend" its nearly as important as your hands. It does answer Shemars lack of sacks/stats.

Yes I left out the important part that it happens in 2026, but they need to start one of the plans soon. Campbell at 8, id feel that's not the plan unless Motown came to them and said "I'm retiring". Even tho he's 29, Christ feels like plan D. Hes still fresh snap wise and if Motown misses games, if could happen this year. Followed by a contract extension in the off-season. Think of it like what happened with Shaq this past year, they have been linked to Josh Conerly Jr. Just so happened Shaq forced the plan to start this year. Motown was a iron man until this year, its his knees that are failing now. Just a theory, but Mike Kaye and others have feed into it.

The real reason is that AT is now listed as XLs' only translator...

It been reported they sent help for remmers numerous times and for whatever reasons- SB pressure, Cam changed play, players believed in rem, etc etc. The help was never sent. DG said it a few times. But also no one can explain why. Panthers were cocky and Favorited, they didn't change anything and didn't plan for RB or TE help against pressure. It wasn't need that whole season- Cam was playing out of this world and nothing could stop him....... but the #2 pick.... Miller was elite and he gave others the rem job too.

Yes that's a big deal, it does chance my stance some. Still there was no solution for the handling of horn. Cannot pay him top dollar, cannot let him walk, and cannot trade him for enough value. I have the same feels about Icky and BY.

Watching the draft with a football smart friend and we were still confused with trading up for brooks, then the Dan used the early 3rd on LB wallance.... He turned to me with and said "Dan is drafting from the same era when he was still playing". It hit me like a dump truck.....

I got a feeling, there is something up with Icky. This is going under-radar, but it needs to be watched with Hawkeyes. My theory is there are a few plans, the main one is to replace Motown with Ickey. Shock the huddle with 3rd or 2nd round LT pick that the group of OL Coaches(fyi there are 3) want as their vision of LT. Icky is better fit and RT are cheaper to pay.

With the current read-out, 2026 is around 90,000,000..... that's without the rollover from this season, nor factors in the 9 draft picks(7th round should not count against 51 roster if they use it). Need to factor Icky and his deal. I got to say...... (surprise!!) that's nearly too much! I believe the smoke about Higgins now. I even look at the 2026 free agents and know 3/4 the cream will be tagged or signed. Overall its awful and maybe worse than this past year. Panthers may have 110million in cap space with no one worthy to sign. Sorta understand the over paying for wharton, and safety...... even horn....

So will Icky....... sucks being Panthers fans with no clear stars, each have *_________. Same deal, LT are near impossible to find and panther may have a young one that they invested years into already. Just like horn, you cannot let him walk and you cannot make him the highest paid LT...... Trade market, late 1st at best cause the team has to pay him 30million per. Panthers suck at drafting and all late 1st yield 2nd round-type players. So........pay him and let us cry and laugh.... Then wait until BY needs a contract.......same deal AGAIN....

There is a shocking amount of common sense being displayed in the huddle Honestly and smart view point- the only contract worth is Dbrowns' Horn, look no matter the outcome, it's wrong for the Panthers. You cannot let him walk and you cannot make him the HIGHEST(WTFFFFFF!!) paid CB/DB..... Well Bas- "trade him".... for what???, he's missed half his games and NEVER finished a season.....You know the playoffs are for winners, horn would have missed the last FOUR years by some random chance Panthers were in them. I doubt much more than late 3rd and 5th, would be the offer. You pay and pray..... It's against my religion to pay OGs, RBs, and safety. I disagree with all, bump the CMC threads and I hated it then too. The only path to justifying all these overpays- making the playoffs. If they don't you can point to this. Once you have poor draft years, no one gets paid, then you lose, and then you get "taxed" overpaying free agents.

This is what I heard from a trusted "evaluator". He said Shemars tape is filled up with him beating 1 vs 1. Then he has huge problems getting to the QB. You know the "hoop" drill where the player runs around two hoops and picks up a towel *while remaining low... places the towel back down and runs off. He didn't showcase that and this is his problem, he has no "bend" or ability to turn corners while in a lower posture. Can it be taught, yes. It's an odd deal given his profile, he shouldn't struggle with this, just happens that's the issue. Take it or not. Everyone but Carter and hunter has a major flaw/needs to work.

Its wrong, I know fanspeak and a couple other still list Panthers with 2 7th rounders. They only have one. here's the official report Here's a look at the Panthers' 2025 picks as it stands now: Their own first-rounder (No. 8 overall) Los Angeles Rams' second-rounder (No. 57 overall) Their own third-rounder (No. 74 overall) Their own fourth-rounder (No. 111 overall) Cowboys fourth-rounder (No. 114 overall) New York Giants' fifth-rounder (No. 140 overall) Their own fifth-rounder (No. 146 overall) Ravens' fifth-rounder (No. 163 overall) Cardinals' seventh rounder (No. 230)

I've been non-stop posting about Panthers needing a pass catcher, even before FA. It's a huge problem when the most feared player is a 35 year old former UDFA tossed aside by his home team, that's your best receiving option???? No wonder Panthers barely won 5. They need to draft either tmac at 8th, or the best pass catching TE leftd at 57. It's been the top need. I tried that others don't see the issue. You can still "fix"/invest in the defense with the remaining 7-8 picks in a deep defense filled draft. Panthers need starting level TE or WR, not some 4th rounder prayer. Others people need to pray everyday that Coker and XL become legit players. I have doubts and what to stack the odds for the future, this is the year to do it.

I was going to make a thread about this, but @MHS831 would be one of the only ones to care. What about James Bradberry as FS?? He was playing some of it in Philly, but wanted be remain at CB......truth is he's too slow for that. But his football IQ would allow him to transition to FS. I think it could work... Regarding Demani richardson I seen what you posted and didn't care about it. I thought he could and did play both, evero system is like many the safety are interchangeable. Like the LBs, need some safety insurance. Ill add this since Ive barring my soul in here..... One minor beef I had with Dan&Brandt was they wavied Jammie Robinson and not Nick Scott who only signed for that year and was awful. (not to say Robinson wasn't..). My point is Robinson would still be here on the roster and he's entering his 3rd year. Just dumb to try and sneak Robinson onto the PS when Scott suck and has no future here......rant mode off....

I've had to adjust or ______ . Im one of those athletic suckers. My issue is now, most of these players are not making to 30 years old. If you look at the this draft and the last couple ones...... you can still blame coofus and the big one NIL. These draft pool are older players. Not the cream, but the mid-late round are around 24 years old. So if you draft one of those "RAS" dudes in the 3rd, it takes 2-2.5 years for him to "get" being a NFL player.... Well in another 1.5-2 he's going to need a contract or in 4 years he's out of the league. So 35% of his career is wasted, that's if he can play. I think drive and determination should be the focus. SM and the current world, I mean some players are making great money as podcasters, thats easier than getting hit by DLman and lifting weights at 5am.

So AT even gets a Panthers tax?!?!? I swear I'd be the cheapest owner, fans would hate me...... I get he's played very well while the team has struggled, but Im also fairly sure the Carolina Panther were the only team to offer him 3yr 25 million.....His old team did not even offer him a contract!! Where's that reward for saving him from retirement or playing on Jets for some 1 year 4 million deal?? He's got a family and the queen is the best NFL environment for that going. Kupp is younger, what about.........ugh, getting nasty.. Now excuse me, Im behind in my scheduled rubbing my hands...

Trying to help those 3 folks who hate this move. In 2025 2.75 million is basically the new "vet" minimum. They still need #3 RB and returner, draft could/should be the lane for that. There's no downside to this move, they could cut with little effect and replace with your chosen rookie.

Thanks to @CarolinaLivin for the Juan-like work!

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