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Yeah that’s how you miss out on players like Stroud. You always draft the player not the school.

Stroud is one out of five total OSU QBs drafted in the first round. The OSU QB thing is nonsense.

We played the Falcons well at Atlanta. If Ridder starts, I could see us beating them in Charlotte.

Yeah maybe a trade, but he is cheap and very good. No way they cut that kind of cheap talent. Man if we could get a good GM and they were trading Howell, it would be tempting as hell.

No way in hell they cut him. We should be all over that poo, but no way in hell that happens. You have a 5th round rookie leading the league in passing yards and you think a team would cut that?

Odd season to hate on Goff. He is having an off game but all QBs do.

I've seen Young run into sacks many times. Just saying PFF at the time said the Commanders didn't have an OL below 60 in pass rating. We were working with some 20s and a 19 in some games including last. But even with all of that Howell is playing at a great level. Young is getting sacked and struggling. There is the difference.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-sam-howell-washington-commanders-sacks There are some "stats" on how Howell is creating a lot of his own sacks. It's from back in October so maybe some things have changed. He is young and still learning, but people are painting a picture like he is a one man show over there in Washington. Sacks are a quarterback stat as much as they are an offensive line stat, and Howell is contributing to that number in a major way. Washington’s offensive line isn’t an elite unit, but it isn't the current problem. Outside of Week 6, Washington has started the same five offensive linemen each week, and not one has a pass-blocking grade lower than 60.0. Here’s the breakdown of who has been responsible for the 34 sacks: Sam Howell 15 Offensive Line 12 Other 7 Not only is Howell creating his own pressure, but he’s also turning offensive line-allowed pressure into sacks at an unsustainable rate. He currently leads the league with a 33.7% pressure-to-sack percentage. The league-high rate last season was 30.8%.

Once again we will have people who will swear by these stats because it sides with their views, and people who question it because it doesn't. If you find yourself questioning the Bryce throws to open WRs chart, and not this one or like the Bryce to open WRs chart and questioning this one you might have an agenda. Both will have some truths to them, and both will have issues.

I've noticed in the games Corbett plays he is the one twisting around and communicating with Young before the snap.

I'm kind of on the same boat. It looks bad this year, but everything on offense does. If he struggles next year with better weapons/protection then I'm more than ok with moving on. I'm in favor of not getting too attached/defensive of a player, but also not overreacting/writing off too early. We are stuck regardless so we might as well sit and wait...

If Bryce can get Fitt and Reich fired plus deliver us someone like Sanders in 25 with an actual GM and HC that know what they are doing then that may make all of this worth it. We need a HARD reset in 25 if we continue down this road.

That's really all I am saying. Dalton's game wasn't that great. Reich/Fitt and company have completely screwed this whole thing up. Part of that is picking Young over Stroud to go with this terrible scheme and terrible roster.

I wish we took Stroud. He was my draft crush, but we can't change the past. He would have our offense looking better now doubt, but I am not sure how good peak Rodgers could look in this Fitter/Reich poo show.

Yeah one QB had a higher completion %, a better YPA, and a win vs one who threw it 27 more times (nearly double) had more yards and one more TD in a loss. It's a strange flex to me. I hate to state the obvious, but if you throw it twice as much you typically get more yards even with a lower YPA.... Young's best game was very pedestrian, and you can easily argue he played better than Dalton.

Why do you think Dalton's performance against Seattle was better than Young's against Houston? Young just didn't have as many attempts but his YPA was better plus his completion % was better and (most importantly) he secured a win. Dalton had more yards but I would argue he was the less efficient QB. I just think Dalton's game wasn't that special that's all. It gets overhyped on here quite a bit IMO...

Does he get 58 attempts? Seattle secondary was pretty banged up. If he played like he did against Houston 7.58 YPA he should get more with 58 attempts, but that was by far his best game. His worst game would be much worse with some turnovers. I would imagine he would have and INT or fumble throwing the ball that much regardless. For example the Colts had a bad secondary and he played like complete poo.

You seem to think I'm defending Young. I'm not. I am saying Cam was in a completely different situation and was a completely different QB. There is no comparison. I also think Dalton's loss in Seattle wasn't as special as some people on here think it was. Young has struggled, but more importantly Tepper, Fitt, and Reich have struggled. If we don't correct that it won't matter how many QBs we swap out.

So you think Dalton would have a 6,137 yard 34 TD 0 INT season? Got it. It wasn't an outlier that's just how good he is. He would be throwing it damn close to 1000 times as well with his 6.2 average. Seattle was cruising that whole game and those last 75 yards and a TD came in garbage time similar to the Lions game. Our rookie does that against prevent and we laugh at it, Dalton does it and he is the next Peyton Manning. I am glad to switched to that Dalton argument again though because the Cam one was absurd. The lack of rational posts is starting to get even longer than the excuses... One can think Young has looked bad and Dalton's game was also nothing special. They don't have to contradict each other.

I really don't care what was projected it was all speculation. The situation is no where close to the same. Gross, Wharton, Kalil, Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Williams is on a different level that what we have going on. Hype before the season means nothing if our staff/players can't deliver. Reich has neutered the best thing about our offense in the OL and turned them into a weakness. It's all a complete mess. We've already discussed the Dalton thing which shows it's an outlier unless you believe he will have a GOAT type season for us, or maybe Seattle had some secondary issues which is why we threw it 58 times in that loss. He could be a bust, but expecting a rookie to pop in here and have a Cam Newton type season with Reich and this roster is a pipe dream and going to leave you disappointed. We need a new GM and HC (honestly a new owner but that's a different story), if Young busts and that leads to Fitt and Reich leaving then there is something good that comes out of it.

Completely different QBs and completely different situations. No I don't think Young can or will become a Cam Newton but at this point we are stuck with him probably through 2024. Let's hope we get get adequate talent and an adequate staff to give him a chance, but if we don't or if he continues to struggle we start all over in 2025.

I'm sticking with Olsen again in saying the DB just made a great play. He has been doing it all year since Diggs went down. Young's mistake was not seeing Tremble having no one pick him up. Tremble should have been the read.