ForJimmy

Man you are like 6-7 posts behind Gooby! Keep up! Everything you just posted was already addressed/debated... Such a Gooby!

Yeah makes way more sense. I was thinking there is no way someone else can be high on this Jets team not naked Gooby!

Are you serious? Damn it. I don’t necessarily think he will be a star. I wanted Justin Fields personally. I just think he is still a very much unknown because few QBs would have been successful in his situation. His turnovers are a major concern. We may actually have similar views on this the whole time... The other poster Gooby was praising Bowles/Gase and the talent around him stating he was the reason they were terrible. I felt a need to defend him for that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/Article/Mel-Kiper-Sam-Darnold-trade-tremendous-move-for-Carolina-Panthers-New-York-Jets-163786073/Amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/jetswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/16/ryan-kalil-adam-gases-system-hurt-sam-darnold-other-jets/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/panthers/.amp/gm-report/mcshay-kiper-riddick-believe-sam-darnold-is-finally-in-position-to-succeed There is some context by analyst who get paid to do this kind of thing. There is a trend here... Any of them stating Darnold had a good coach/talent around him and he is the reason the Jets were so bad? Let me know when you find any.

I was surprised to read the headline. Post did not disappoint!

Zero wins without the player you think is the issue. Zero. Go read the reactions to the Jets depth chart on Mr Scott’s thread. It will help open your stubbornly closed eyes...

Gase’s Jets team in winless without Darnold, yet he is the problem? Anderson thriving in Carolina is another example of a player doing better once leaving Gase. Where is Gase now?

That’s fair. I think the thought process is his price came down once no teams were showing interest, but yeah that’s speculation. It’s hard to say his actions did not decrease his value originally, which is sad if true.

You can’t use stats. Fine. Darnold is the best QB in the league. Convince me otherwise without using any sort of stats. Gase was the coach. He struggles to use players correctly/put them in a position to succeed. That’s why they cut Bell, that’s why Tannehiil thrived when he left Gase, it’s why the Dolphins are getting better every year now that he left Miami. Blaming a young QB for the struggles the Jets have had is a stretch. They were struggling before they drafted Darnold and the coach could always bench him, especially if his job was on the line. The fact still remains the Jets were winless without Darnold playing these past three years so it’s clearly not solely on him.

So it was while he was still employed and making more money. That would mean he wasn’t blackballed or released yet. That following year is when it got bad. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/11/the-colin-kaepernick-alternative-facts-continue-to-percolate/ 2017 is when the fake excuses started being made. There is a list of them. So did he turn down the Broncos job? Yes in 2016. He was still under contract for the Niners and was going to make more guaranteed even if they released him which they did. The following year teams wouldn’t even bring him in for a workout.

That article stats he would make more being released. It was when he was still under contract before he was blackballed.

I believe that happened years after he was blackballed. I do remember that happening, but maybe he was making more at that point outside of football than what was offered. I agree though, if he wanted an opportunity he was offered one. It was just several years later once a large portion of players started kneeling too.

It is and it isn’t. Kaepernick was a solid QB in the right system (took his team to the Super Bowl) and still better than a few starters and most backups when he was black balled from the league. The Golden Calf of Bristol just wasn’t an NFL QB and didn’t want to try another position. IMO The Golden Calf of Bristol simply wasn’t good enough and Kap was blackballed for taking a stance. Kap has the skills/ability to be in the league and should have been the past however many years, The Golden Calf of Bristol.... maybe as another position.

Right? I don’t understand him and the Gooby guy defending the Jets?? He knows his stuff too, it’s just mind boggling to me...

I believe in a thing called love!

I need the full educational experience. Please start from the beginning.

The argument was ANY year we had Cam which is now proven to be wrong. However in 2014 Benjamin had over 1000 yards and 9 TDs (he was solid until his mom passed sadly) Olsen had over 1000 yards and 6 TDs, and Cotchery had over 500 yards beating out Mims and his 350.... That’s 2 more 1000 yard receivers than the Jets had. It’s not that we gave Cam a ton of weapons (we didn’t and his career got cut short before of his shitty offensive line), it’s that the Jets had no weapons AND a terrible coach for a young QB. I know it’s a matter of opinion, but it can easily be argued.

It’s reminding me of a certain poster who loved the two TE set offense.

I don’t understand the Appaloosa Model. Can you explain it again?

I’m so confused about what you are arguing? So you think the Jets surround Darnold with better players and coaches/staff than Cam had any year? That was my debate. He stated that and I gave two years 2013 and 2018 where the talent was far greater than Mims, Crowder, and Perriman. Hell even in the 2015 year Ginn had more yards/TDs than any Jets WR, Olsen had over 1000 yards and Cotchery, Brown, and Funchess each had more yards than Mims. Anyway go find an analyst/writer/anyone who thinks Darnold had good talent and coaches around him. My whole point before you barged in was he never had a fair chance with those coaches and that team around him.

Well said.

I do it all the damn time. No worries.

Yeah he got hurt but was on the team to be a weapon for Cam. Care to read off the other receivers stats or does that not go well with your cherry picking? Mims has never had a NFL TD and that’s the 3rd option lol. What a stupid debate this is. Playoff appearances? What are you talking about? You jumped in the middle of a debate where the other person stated the Jets had better talent around Darnold than we ever ever gave Cam. I gave examples of Cam having better options. The Jets were a joke and didn’t give Darnold a line or legit weapons. It’s why the Kiper, McAfee, Schein, McShay and any other analyst is at least curious to see what Darnold can do with an actual coach and weapons around him. I’m not sitting here and saying Darnold will be good, but I’m also not going to say that situation he was in was any decent indication of how good of a player he is.

They’ve done a good job so far on the rebuild. The main concerns are LT and QB, which might be the two most important positions.... If our staff hit on it we should be a solid competitive team.