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Van Dyke has some arm talent and looked legit last year. He has played better these past couple games. I wouldn't right him off and his arm could easily get him drafted before McCall.

All of those (aside from Brees) have much bigger frames than Young. Also Wilson is struggling now that he can't use his legs as well and Murray is up and down (teams want to keep in the pocket). There is a reason why it's not the norm. Below 6'0" and under 200 might work in college behind a big Alabama OL, (and he has already been injured this year), but the big question is can it withstand getting hit by a huge NFL DL or LB. Brees got the ball out quick and rarely got hit. Young likes to buy time with his legs which is great, but usually results in contact. He has great traits, but longevity and durability have to be two huge concerns with him. Don't get me wrong, if we draft him I will be excited and hope he can stay healthy because if he can he looks legit. I just have Stroud higher in my rankings because of the size issue.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2023QB.php Ok this has him as the 14th QB (Rounds 4-6).

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/.amp/news/graysonmccall They are saying McCall is a 5th rounder.

2 inches will make a difference as well as frame. Josh Allen only has 3 inches on Aaron Rodgers and obviously a much bigger frame, but that completely changes things. 6’ is very small for a QB, but teams have made it work with Brees, Murray, Russ etc… Lower than 6’ and you have just Murray who has already had some injuries. GMs love their statistical history.

It just happened with Howell and Rattler. Then it was well 23’s class will be loaded! Now here we go again…

That’s how I see it. Either trade up (or have a high pick) for Young or Stroud, or sit back and draft on upside with Levis or Richardson.

Maybe not, but it would be odd to allow him to trade away CMC and turn down 1st round picks for Burns if he wasn't part of the long term plan IMO.

It’s no secret we are drafting a QB in the first this year. It’s what Fitt has been wanting to do and even mentioned it last year. There is no Rhule to stop him and it’s our biggest need that happens to be the most important. I think we make a run at Stroud/Young even if it requires a trade up, or we grab a physical talent to develop like Levis or Richardson. There is still a lot of football left so this obviously can change, but I’m guessing this is where we are at right now.

Yeah it was just a big case of stating what fits their narrative like it was a fact.

I still think Pep Hamilton is underrated.

That’s a TD

For the people claiming Burns doesn’t want to play here…

Need the Texans to win this!

What is the Coastal mascot? A chicken?

Yeah you are spot on about the inconsistency. Sometimes he kind of cranks it back with more of a side arm and sometimes it looks polished. I wonder if it has to do with what kind of throw he is making or if there is pressure. He really hasn't had to face constant pressure in a game like Young has. That's probably the biggest question mark for Stroud IMO.

I lean towards Stroud over him due to the height, but I'll be damned it Young doesn't have one of the better QB minds I've seen in college, stays cool under pressure, and has great arm strength and speed. If he shows up at 6'0" and just over 200 pounds (which is possible), he might be the guy in this draft.

His throwing motion isn't great or terrible. I posted a video where they critique it and he gets the ball out in .3 seconds from start to finish. I get it starts lower than desired, but it's quick enough to be successful at the next level. It needs minor tweaking at most.

Yeah the more time he has to “read” the defense the worse his decisions were. The first read check downs and QB runs carried him for a few games until teams took that away.

Yeah it’s just whiney fans who are overly attached to the player. I’ve been there before…

Says who?

Yeah the later picks have a lower percentage of working out and an older CMC has a lower chance of staying healthy. These are variables outside of the trade and can affect how the final results appear.

Pickles successfully got us Cam.

It makes perfect sense in regard to the trade itself. How we spend the picks is a different story. If I sell my car for twice it’s value then it’s a good sale/trade. If I poorly invest that money and lose it all, it doesn’t mean sell the car for twice it’s value was bad. It means I poorly invested AFTER the sale.