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Yup. Rivera and Hurney both should have been gone after 2018. It was all downhill from there

This is really the biggest thing. At minimal points has the offense seemed elevated due to him at QB. When things were great across the board, he looked OK, even good from all reports. When things are not great, he has not shown little if any ability to elevate and overcome that. That is not where an NFL team should want to hang their hat, and competition should absolutely remain on the table.

Which changes nothing about Carolina's inability to extend this season as was suggested and makes that window actually even longer than 2 years.

Can't extend a UDFA until after their second season.

Team sucked. Dallas walked all over them, especially the OL. Feels gross just saying that.

That's really the crux of it. Bryce was already an outlier at a historical physical disadvantage when he came into the league. The standard of proof was already greater and that is just the objective reality of it. Couple that with the poor first batch of work and that standard remains arguably even greater than before.

And Bryce with another terrible underthrow. Dude's biggest weakness for sure.

Maybe you should go back and watch the prior 17 or so before judging off of 3-4. Perhaps read up on trends, stats, and sample sizes as well. And again, where am I judging anything? I have pretty clearly acknowledged that Dallas is whopping the whole team today.

Hater is a vapid and intellectually empty term in these discussions. Anyone that uses it in a discussion where there is clear nuance has their own obvious biases. It's an eyeroll inducer.

Yup. It was 17 or so games of middling to outright atrocious play and 3-4 of improvement. The sample sizes speak for themselves... just takes time, and time is very clearly on one side of the argument right now.

This thread is about Bryce alone so makes sense to discuss him specifically one way or another even when it is a team failure.

Yeah, this thread. Lolz. Y'all are funny... pendulum already swinging back. https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/266031-salute-to-evero-and-this-defense/?tab=comments#comment-6614088

Weren't folks just celebrating him a week ago?

I do agree that the OL has sucked/Dallas has had their number today from what I've seen. It happens.

I mean, my mom died and I've been coaching youth basketball every Sunday so haven't watched in weeks. Sorry, not sorry.

And when I see it, I'll comment. Again though, those QBs I compared to had their moments. They just aren't good enough to win the big ones in this NFL. I haven't been one of the 'he's not an NFL QB' guys, I'm just on the 'ceiling isn't high enough' train. Thanks for chiming in though.

And that throw from Rush, and this game in general, shows exactly why single instances of looking good is meaningless. My take on Bryce has always been that his ceiling is somewhere around Bridgewater/Alex Smith levels of effectiveness and results. Haven't said much these recent weeks since I haven't had a chance to watch. Can finally watch this game and it's ugly, but Dallas seems to be eating their lunch today in general.

Folks, take note of that throw from Rush. This is why some of us say that certain things are NFL table stakes that any QB can make. The best need to do it consistently, and that is the threshold for franchise vs just being NFL level.

Good thing there as nobody within like 7 yards, as Coker had to dang near completely stop. All worked out OK I guess but well underthrown vs where it could ideally have been. Finally able to watch a bit today for the first time in weeks. Bit ugly so far but that happens.

Duh. My point was that the pitchforks weeks ago were ridiculous, which is why the pendulum has to swing so far in the first place. No poo that things change over time.

IMO the team is absolutely not past the point of needing a vet backup and someone who can potentially challenge, at least not this season. The seeming catalyst for his improvement was getting parked on the bench for someone who they felt offered a better chance at winning. The guy went into last offseason as the 'unquestioned guy' and got worse, so why would you take away that air of competition at this point? Let him continue to feel at least some kind of heat and external motivation to improve. One more season of development and maturity an then sure, that makes sense. But this sample size and the timing is not large enough for that approach.

Doesn't mean it's not a hard catch, and the point still stands that a number of things going differently earlier in the game prevents it from coming down to that situation. No game is ever won/lost on a single play, call, etc. That's the reality. Players need to step up when circumstances require, and especially a highly-touted first rounder (albeit a decidedly raw one), but it's a bit silly to sit and drill XL for having a weakness that everyone already knows he had like it's the only way Carolina could have ever won. Bryce's interception was ugly and set up Philly for a TD before the half, at least it seems that way from the highlights and gameflow since I wasn't able to watch, Elliott's miss that I already mentioned, etc. The team drafted XL knowing what his weaknesses are and they have died by the sword at times this year. All part of the growing pains.

Ah, I misread the sheet - was a 52 yarder. Fair point, though still often made in the NFL not a gimme, and not for Jake Elliott. Neither was the catch that folks are deriding XL for not making.