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Weren't folks just celebrating him a week ago?

I do agree that the OL has sucked/Dallas has had their number today from what I've seen. It happens.

I mean, my mom died and I've been coaching youth basketball every Sunday so haven't watched in weeks. Sorry, not sorry.

And when I see it, I'll comment. Again though, those QBs I compared to had their moments. They just aren't good enough to win the big ones in this NFL. I haven't been one of the 'he's not an NFL QB' guys, I'm just on the 'ceiling isn't high enough' train. Thanks for chiming in though.

And that throw from Rush, and this game in general, shows exactly why single instances of looking good is meaningless. My take on Bryce has always been that his ceiling is somewhere around Bridgewater/Alex Smith levels of effectiveness and results. Haven't said much these recent weeks since I haven't had a chance to watch. Can finally watch this game and it's ugly, but Dallas seems to be eating their lunch today in general.

Folks, take note of that throw from Rush. This is why some of us say that certain things are NFL table stakes that any QB can make. The best need to do it consistently, and that is the threshold for franchise vs just being NFL level.

Good thing there as nobody within like 7 yards, as Coker had to dang near completely stop. All worked out OK I guess but well underthrown vs where it could ideally have been. Finally able to watch a bit today for the first time in weeks. Bit ugly so far but that happens.

Duh. My point was that the pitchforks weeks ago were ridiculous, which is why the pendulum has to swing so far in the first place. No poo that things change over time.

IMO the team is absolutely not past the point of needing a vet backup and someone who can potentially challenge, at least not this season. The seeming catalyst for his improvement was getting parked on the bench for someone who they felt offered a better chance at winning. The guy went into last offseason as the 'unquestioned guy' and got worse, so why would you take away that air of competition at this point? Let him continue to feel at least some kind of heat and external motivation to improve. One more season of development and maturity an then sure, that makes sense. But this sample size and the timing is not large enough for that approach.

Doesn't mean it's not a hard catch, and the point still stands that a number of things going differently earlier in the game prevents it from coming down to that situation. No game is ever won/lost on a single play, call, etc. That's the reality. Players need to step up when circumstances require, and especially a highly-touted first rounder (albeit a decidedly raw one), but it's a bit silly to sit and drill XL for having a weakness that everyone already knows he had like it's the only way Carolina could have ever won. Bryce's interception was ugly and set up Philly for a TD before the half, at least it seems that way from the highlights and gameflow since I wasn't able to watch, Elliott's miss that I already mentioned, etc. The team drafted XL knowing what his weaknesses are and they have died by the sword at times this year. All part of the growing pains.

Ah, I misread the sheet - was a 52 yarder. Fair point, though still often made in the NFL not a gimme, and not for Jake Elliott. Neither was the catch that folks are deriding XL for not making.

If we're playing that game, Philly missed a gimme FG that would've made that last drive irrelevant and Eddy still would've had to make the XP. Point being that there are still deeper issues - 16 points is not good enough through 58 minutes fo football. That said, I agree that wins are far from the only metric. The team appears to be doing what prior regimes could not, and that is looking a little better each week.

The bar is so very low and folks like to jump to conclusions in all directions but my metric for success has always been steady improvement and player development as the year progresses. While I haven't watched the recent games these does appear to be development taking place, though I still feel that Bryce's ceiling is Bridgewater-esque levels of results, and that kind of development is more than we've seen from other recent regimes.

So the pendulum has swung back to this side in a matter of weeks... alrighty.

Are you comparing Stewart as the 'injured early in his career' back? Because it took Stewart 3 years to miss a game and then he only missed 2 in his first 4 seasons.

Not an unfair assessment but still, this was far from the easiest ball to not bring in.

Geez, y'all making it sound like that was a routine catch. That was a difficult catch for any receiver, only slightly easier than the ball Thielen couldn't hang onto in the end zone last week. A star receiver needs to make that catch, sure, but it was hardly routine. In a perfect world there is more loft on that ball and he runs under it.

Hasn't this been the line for years now? Maybe this time it actually happens.

Where did I say otherwise?

Does he though? Why not have the 'it' factory earlier in the games? I haven't watched the past several games for various reasons so am just playing devil's advocate. From seeing posts this week it sounded ike the team had zero chance and the defense seemed to do enough to win. Better than getting murdered though.

The team scored 16 total points and Legette has sucked like this all year. I didn't watch the game but while you want them to make plays, 16 ain't good enough if you don't want things to come down to the wire.

Is he this week's scapegoat? Moving on from the refs I guess.

Of course there are always exceptions and things that are more and less important to a given player, but Horn's comments were the typical lip service you almost always hear and it will not result in him taking a major discount. The team will not hesitate to make a business decision in a player and they are all aware of that.