45catfan

Let's assume all underclassmen QBs that's not named Stroud or Young return to school, this is the list we would be looking at: RSR- Levis-Kentucky RSR-Hooker-Tennessee RSR-Leary-NCSU RSR-Haener-Fresno St. RSR-O'Connell-Purdue RSR-Morgan-Minnestoa SR-Duggan-TCU SR-Nix Oregon SR-Tune-Houston SR-Mordecai-SMU -There's a few others, I only listed 10, but are so far down the list they will be UFAs.

There went my 3rd round pick if we didn't take a QB in the first round. If these underclassmen nearly all opt to stay in school, then this QB draft is going to dry up quickly. Depth was going to be the hallmark of this QB draft as it was limited at the top. It was and is the Stroud/Young show at the top, nothing about that is changing.

I'm still on the Michael Mayer bandwagon if we are hovering around pick 10. It's hard for me to justify a TE in the middle of the top 10, but the end of the top 10? Yes, do it. Look, it's no secret that a rookie QBs security blanket is a TE. Can you imagine Ian Thomas as our rookie's go-to guy? Mayer can be a Gronk type of guy. TB12 is even stuggling this year since Gronk decided to stay retire (like Tom should have). Mayer is a borderline generational TE. I get the glamorous positions QB, WR, ER, but when a guy is that good at his craft even at a lesser profile spot, you still have to take him.

TD/INT ratio is not good for McCall, it's freaking great! Dude, it's 10:1 for his carrer! Heck, most dudes around here drool over QBs with a 3:1 ratio. If not for the blow out in that Troy game (zero defense from CCU) and him trying to force that last second TD (completely out of character to force a throw), it would be 24:1 this season, but alas, 12:1. Anyway, yes CCU runs a version of the triple option. Here's what I like about it. McCall is extremely good at play action and is athletic enough to keep the ball himself...even has a little wiggle. Not often can a QB juke LBs and DBs, but he can do it. He has 16 rushing TDs in his career. What I don't like about the the offense he ran is he didn't often have to go past his first read. He can and has, but usually the play action gave his first read single coverage and he's good enough to hit that guy unless completely blanketed. I'd like to see how he looks in a an All-Star game in a pro style offense. See how he handles pressure when there's no window dressing to confuse the defense and sit back in shotgun, read the defense and go through his progressions. CCU did some of this in 3rd and long situations and McCall still seemed to play at a high level.

That's one QB not declaring that people have been mocking. I figured he wouldn't after such a mediocre season.

The Texans are taking a QB at #1. So it will be down to Levis and the other QB for us if the order stays the same. The question is does the Seahawks continue to roll with Geno or take their QB of the future? In that case Seattle takes a QB too, Levis is staring us straight in the face.

I'm still on the McCall bandwagon big time. As bad as CCU got beat yesterday, McCall was the only bright spot. He accounted for all 4 of their TDs and threw his only pick (2nd of the ENTIRE season) forcing a play on the last drive of the game to keep the score respectable. Their defense was trash (gave up 31 first half points) and he was trying to will his team to an impossible comeback. Dude was fiery on the sidelines while the rest of the team looked demoralized and already defeated.

The Pack playing their bowl game in Charlotte. The ONLY mayo-Dukes. Miracle Whip and Hellman's are just gross. Best mayo ever!

Duh, that's why his teams are known for their defenses more so than offense. San Fran and Michigan's calling card was/is defense. Jim is hardly an innovative offensive guru despite being an ex-QB himself. But you already knew that.

His introductory press conference. Rhule sounded like a used car salesman even that early on.

I'm over defensive minded coaches. Hard pass.

He took a pay raise and inherits a team that the previous coach left with a lot of meat left on the bone. I can't fault the guy. Plus, with McCall all but entering the draft, his meal ticket for the past several years was moving on. Smart move. *NOT a CCU fan, just looking at the situation objectively. I am high on McCall though.

I'm just glad the divisions will be gone soon. The Coastal division is an utter joke. At one time Miami and VT were good, but that's been a hot minute. Outside of BC, I think at some point during the season every team in the Atlantic division was ranked. As seen tonight, there's no comparison. When the divisions finally do go away, the old Coastal teams will get a couple more 'L's' hung on them per season and the old Atlantic teams can pad a couple more W's to their resume'.

I'm wanting to build through the draft. I hope Fitty moves back some in this draft. I'd rather have 10-11 picks than our current 7 and have to rely on bottom tier FAs. Like you said, cap space opens up in 2024, but I don't want to go shopping like a trophy wife with a brand new credit card. Build the core and fill in with serviceable FAs as needed and stay away from the big price tags.

Been saying this for a couple months now. Extending Burns gives us the most breathing room of any potential moves. Extending Brown gives us a little more too.

No sir, no flaming here. That is my M.O. this draft. I honestly feel we are out of the Stroud/Young sweepstakes and felt that way as soon as Rhule was fired. I have been moving back to accumulate more picks. Why? Almost no cap room for significant FAs. We have 7 picks and need at least 10. Overall, not bad. Not too sure about a DT with out first pick, but like the Penix selection, TEs, and LBs. Pretty good first stab at it.

A Panthers wet dream Then reality hits you

I have, but too detailed and most people will TL/DR it, lol! In a nutshell: -FA QB on the cheap, Darnold or other (no Baker)--Walker on the same deal as this year (insurance policy) -Bozeman will have to take a hometown deal or Cade Mayes will be our center next year. -Burns, Brown and Luvu extended. Haynes extended or cut. Elflein and Wilson cut. -That's the short version and didn't even touch the draft or take a deeper dive into FA.

Lateral moves are pretty rare these days and someone is stupid to pass up a promotion because they aren't assured a ideal situation. If said newbie OC gets looks in 2-3 years for a HC job, that's okay, it means the Panthers should be a playoff team. Worry about the future as it approaches, worry about the present...now.

Richardson is a HUGE gamble and he needs the Jordan Love career path to be successful. As a day 1 starter, dude's career will never take off; set up for failure. Funny that the 'raw' tag is used/avoided depending on bias. Even though the dude is wildly inexperienced, proponents are staying away from that label. McKee has the prototypical size, but lacks production. McKee is not a first rounder in value, I don't care if he gets drafted there. I'm not sure Pennix makes it all the way into the first round. Hooker would have been my 'Lamar Jackson' pick this draft, but the ACL injury hurt his draft stock. The value is later on. Pennix, Ward, DJ U., Jefferson, McCall, Duggan, Tune, Rogers could all go between rounds 2-4. Again, this QB draft is not top heavy, but there is value in the middle. Build known studs at other positions and stop mind-numbing forcing of the QB situation.

Uniform threads in late November? This is usually a fluff/filler thread in May or June.

Levis scares me. He has the arm, but arm strength isn't everything. I want weapons and several of them. We lack weapons. If we forego a first round QB this year then so be it. I say that because Stroud/Young should be out of reach and honestly I have serious reservations about both. Honestly beyond those two and Levis (whose stock should be in the teens honestly) other QBs will be taken this draft in the first round, but honestly should not. QBs will be severely overvalued early in this year and I hope we aren't one of the teams caught up in that mess. A correction in the value of QBs will take shape on Day 2. If we take a stab at a QB, that's where it needs to happen. In the mean time, get a weapon to help out whomever is at QB and take some pressure off of Moore.

For you Clemson fans, what is your take on DJ? Why does he seem struggle? He's got all the athletic traits, so what is he not doing on the field? Does he not process things fast enough, unable to go through progressions, lacks field vision or not have enough touch on his passes? I am generally against big school/elite program guys because of the talent all around them. He had so much hype coming out of HS that I wonder why that hasn't translated to college?

And I'm okay with that. Stay put or move back a little, get more draft capital and take WR or TE with that first pick. We need more reliable targets and QB that won't lose us games. Walker and Darnold has shown even with this swiss cheese roster we can win if the QB merely play mistake-free football. Games with 4 TDs tossed and 300+ yards are pretty for the stat sheet, but aren't always necessary to get W's.

There will several intriguing QB prospects in the second/third round. At this point, I'm almost determined not to get a round one QB this year. Move back, get some more picks and use said house money on a flyer pick on one of these QBs. If it doesn't work out, no big loss. If it does like Philly's flyer pick on Hurts in the 3rd round? We hit the jackpot!