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And we lost to them.

The more I keep seeing from Payton, the more I keep remembering our pride as fans being accosted when Payton said, "yeah, they're just running some of that college stuff," going into one of the games. We already started seeing the cracks, but it felt like a cheap shot that we didn't want to believe to be factual... but it was. We are a fuging joke.

I think it's entirely possible for us to be the first team to go 0-17 ever. We may accidentally fluke into a win or two but I just can't see this team winning with this coach. And you could see the how demoralizing this loss was for guys who laid it all out there, like Luvu. That last play, they just sat there on the ground looking like, "it's never gonna work. All this for nothing."

But for that to happen, the owner has to actually care about what's happening on the field and how the fans feel about it. I dont think Tepper considers or gives a poo about either.

And that's what is so upsetting... he's supposedly the mastermind genius that made himself into a billionaire by always being a step ahead in his decision-making... or at least that's the story we're fed. (Which by the way is bullshit... as someone who just got into investing over the last few years and see how rigged it is in favor of those who curry favor with those who matter - i.e. market makers, hedge funds, etc., it could be relatively easy to get in with the right people, learn how to game the system and then amass incredible wealth by using other people's money. It doesnt require brilliance, it requires rubbable elbows, lack of integrity, and a willingness to kiss ass, but i digress.) So, here, this "genius" is three years into a coach who has shown ZERO signs of improvement, is setting records for futility and losing by the week, and is holding the wheel on the darkest, worst period in the entire history of the franchise that just keeps getting worse. The guy is fuging 1-25 when the other team scores 17 points, which is hilarious, because most teams are capable of scoring 17 points every week. Oh, so if you have a good defense you still have a chance? Well, he amassed a whole season's worth of those losses last year with a Top 10 defense. It's like a ship springing leaks and everytime you think you plugged one, a new wine springs open. It's completely hopeless. And our self-made billionaire genius owner just sits by and watches idly, because he's smarter than everyone else and even if he isn't, has enough money to just tell us to go fug ourselves - which he is doing right now.

Someone should tell Tepper.

Any SEC team would beat the living poo out of us.

I've been saying the same thing since he let him finish last season... but, as usual, FA and the draft suckered me back into thinking we could overcome this idiot. The first two games have reminded me how impossible that is. It also explains why my disdain for Tepper has silently and subconsciously grown exponentially since last season without me even actively feeding it... because when he made that decision last season he effectively dropped the blade on this one.

I didnt believe it in its entirety, but definitely felt the majority of it was true, and all of it was likely rooted in truth but may have been a bit embellished... now? I agree, all of it seems more and more concrete.

As I said, he will not be fired until the season is unsalvageable... so Tepper just wasted another year of our lives.

This would be incorrect.

That is fuging insane

This. Plain and simple. As I've said in other threads, for all that has changed, what has remained the same and constant throughout it all? Find it coincidental that the same struggles on both sides of the ball continue and look exactly the same as they did as year one, if not worse? Different personnel, different assistants, etc., and yet, the team plays just as bad... It's Matt Rhule. That's it.

Steve Wilks. He didn't get a fair shot from the Cards. I think he could be an excellent HC. That being said, Rhule won't be fired tomorrow... and my prediction is, he won't be fired until the season is well past salvageable.

In hindsight, although a lot of those plays he made looked really goofy and sometimes didn't pan out, I think Daniel Jones handled those pressures 1000x better than Baker in that he evaded the pressure and then would try to reset to wait as long as possible for a receiver to come open; sometimes they didnt, and he ended up throwing something horrible or just throwing it away a the last second. Whereas Baker would evade the pressure and immediately started up field on a scramble, almost every time. Those 3 and 4 yard gains ultimately are inconsequential. Jones had multiple big conversions off the same broken plays by waiting for a pass. But again, I'm going to believe part of this is still getting comfortable in the offense, but even more so, especially on the off-schedule plays, it's a lack of reps and chemistry with the receivers, imo.

Honestly, Ickey only had two really bad plays today: 1) He completely blew a blitz pickup on a safety who shot to the inside of him untouched and got an easy sack on a big down and 2) He had an abhorrent false start on a 4th down attempt that resulted in us having to punt. And tbh, file it under the completely unexpected but our biggest issues in pass pro appear to be between Elflein, Corbett, and Moton, but mostly Corbett and Moton. Moton was complete ass today and Corbett has looked bad and easily replaceable for 2 weeks. Would've thought the BC/Ickey side would be the one causing the most issues for us. Nope. It's the vets. We should just be glad that Thibodeaux didn't play. We were getting embarrassed by fringe NFL guys.

But if you have 53 heads take their turn at the wall, you may lose 52, but I bet that final one cracks it open!

Well, I could be wrong, but last I checked, coaches' salaries are fully guaranteed, so if they're fired they get the entire value of that contract. Nebraska would have to pay him to hire him, so I don't see why he couldn't get paid by both... and for any human being in that situation, why wouldn't you try to get paid twice? Not trying to be an argumentative dick or anything, that's just how I've always understood it to be.

Never wanted him. Always thought he had that sleazeball, used car salesman vibe about him... then after we hired him, I hoped for the best even though I hated it, and even started believing in him after seeing some of his opening pressers as he seemed smart and charismatic. Then he actually coached, and I realized why I never wanted him again in the first place, because all that talk is empty if you don't have the ability as a strategist and game manager to back it up. And now when he talks, it means nothing. So in summary, never wanted him, and still don't.

Not if they fire him first. No buyout needed.

..."in Nebraska. They're waiting for me." Seriously, I am starting to think he's doing this poo on purpose to get fired so he can get paid out the rest of his contract here while taking a college job.

Can't make this up. Just said this in his presser. Also, when asked about the pressure the Giants got he said he didn't think anyone just got flat-out beat, they were just bringing "extra guys." Why didn't this stuff work with my parents growing up? "No, I didn't disrupt the class and get kicked out. I just interrupted the teacher. My behavior isn't quite there, but I'm really close. You just can't see it."

The fumble was, but it was a horrible situation and a horrible playcall, and then horribly executed... he was 1 vs 8, and as soon as they swarmed, unless forward progress got called I already had a feeling it was gonna happen... and I would've felt the same way if it was DJ, Robbie, Shi, or any other receiver. The odds aren't good. And Robbie still makes plays, but again, for the most part is misused. Can't say the same for Chubba's sorry ass.

Again, there are so many problems across the board, it's hard to pick just one that cost us... but I pulled the lens back just a bit and it crystallized for me. Last week, Elfein single-handedly killed multiple drives, including the final one where we had a chance to score a TD and put the game away, with his mis-snaps. And on defense, CJ Henderson commits one of the worst, boneheaded penalties in the endzone I have ever seen which would've been an INT for Xavier Woods, that thanks to CJ, turned into an easy TD from the 1. This week, instead of elevating Shenault or putting Shi back there, who was originally the backup to Roberts, he put his wife's favorite Cowboy out there in Chubba Butterfingers Hubbard. Chubba gives up a fumble on the opening kickoff where they're already in FG range, and they go up 3. I still support Robbie, but he was put in a horrible spot on that 3rd down play the next possession, again, thanks to great coaching, and was left to try to navigate himself through what looked like 8 defenders after catching a no-hope screen. He fumbled in their FG range again. Down 6-0 score. Down -2 in the turnover game. And as we know, you rarely ever overcome losing the turnover battle. We lose by a FG. Meanwhile, Chubba continued to go out there and appeared to fumble again on another kickoff, although I have no idea why NY didn't challenge it after it was ruled down by contact. These are simple things, where there are far better options at these positions where these decisions are made well-before gameday and Rhule has decided the outcome before the game is even played with his favorites who happen to be bad at football.

Oh no, I am as cynical as they get (if you haven't noticed ). So I err towards the same opinion you're sharing here... but, I also think if an elite player sees something in a coach that they know enabled them to maximize their ability, then you have to give some credence to that. But, there is that fine line of, well yeah, McAdoo's offense worked great for Rodgers because he processes things better than 99% of guys in the league and that has to be considered, but it could also just be a great offense that Rodgers made even better that can be efficiently ran by even non-HOFers. But, you never know until you know.