tukafan21

Uh, no... if T-Mac is there at 8 and we trade that for Wilson and give him the contract, it would be the most inept move imaginable. T-Mac > Wilson before T-Mac's 2nd season in the league is over.

If XL is being included, more like next year's 3rd, don't like going another year without a 2nd round pick. But again, I'm not doing that if I'm the Jets as some contender would give them their 1st rounder for him in a heartbeat. For example, if I'm the Chargers, I'm offering up my 1st this year and probably additional assets on top of that. Herbert, Wilson, Ladd, and a Harbaugh offense would be downright scary.

Yes, but again, it's not an anti-Wilson thing, it's solely allocation of resources. If the Jets were to be dumb enough to trade us Wilson for non 1st round picks, it totally changes my mind on going after him, but I really can't see any way they do that, he's too young and good for them to trade him for anything less than at least a 1st, which is something almost any contender who needs a WR would be willing to give them. If we're trying to trade for a WR, I'd rather go after someone like DK Metcalf who is a few years older and likely could be had for less of draft capital because trading him would also free up cap room for Seattle.

Yes, but my point is for the same cap room we could have Burden and a legit starting pass rusher, I'm taking that over just Wilson every time. Because anyone trading for Wilson is going to need to give him a Top 10 WR contract at the same time, and with today's WR market, that's A LOT of money for a position we could fill on a rookie contract in Burden. It's allocation of resources, not being afraid of spending the cap. If we were a #1 WR away from being legit contenders, like the Bills and Eagles with Diggs and Brown, then it's a different discussion, but we're not that. We have so many holes right now, that filling one of the holes at the cost of being able to fill 2 of them for the same price, just isn't good roster management. Also, all of that is disregarding that we likely wouldn't need to use the 8th on Burden anyways. If he's who we really wanted (and T-Mac was already gone of course), we likely could trade back another 5-7 picks, still get him, but add another solid draft pick as well.

I'm actually not so sure he's still a top shelf WR, he's kinda always been a one trick pony with his speed and he turns 31 in a couple of months. His fall off of an elite WR is going to be very quick and sudden as once he loses even a quarter of a step, he will have lost the difference between him being just a good WR and a HOFer. I'm not as convinced that his down year was because of the QB situation as much as the start of him showing his age. I know the Tua injury screwed up the Dolphins season, but he still played in 11 games and it's not like Tyreek was killing it all season except the games he was out. He had three games over 100 yards and only had 5 games all year over 72 yards. For a player like Tyreek who has long made his impact on quick passes and then just out running everyone for big plays, that's a sign to me that he's slowing down, not QB problems.

I'm vehemently against Burden at 8, it's way too high for him. But I'd rather take him at 8 than trade for Wilson, 100 times out of 100. It's not that I think Burden is going to be the better player, I actually don't think he'll ever be as good as Wilson is/will be. But if you make that trade you then have to give Wilson a new contract instead of having that position on a rookie deal. Using the pick on Burden and then the extra cap space on a defensive player would be a million times smarter than trading for Wilson and giving him a big deal. It's basically would you rather have Wilson or Burden and a legit pass rusher, seems like an easy decision to me.

Would love the player, but there's two big problems with it. The first is that the Jets aren't trading a 24 year old #1 WR for anything less than a 1st rounder (and might need more than just a single 1st anyways), and under no circumstances should we be trading our 1st round picks in any year right now. The second is that when the Jets inevitably move on from Rodgers (and then Adams) this offseason, Wilson isn't going to want out anymore as his problem is with those two more than the organization.

Maybe, but they were always going to be an impossible team to accurately mocked right now. They have an absurd amount of cap room, what they need right now will not be what they need come draft day. They can make multiple big splash signings and even make trades for players who need new contracts and their teams don't want to give it to them. OT and WR might be their two biggest needs right now, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to think they could go into the draft needing neither of them. I think a LT will be their top FA priority, also think they're going to make a big offer to Higgins, and I could see them being a team in the running to trade for someone like DK Metcalf as they need a WR like him and they have the cap space to give him a big new contract.

Only way I see the Patriots taking a pass rusher is they're able to sign both Higgins and a top LT in FA before the draft. If they don't get both, I can't see how they pass up on the chance to get Maye his LT or WR, both of which they badly need.

technically it's either already expired or does so in a day or two, it's just that the Cowboys have exclusive negotiating rights with him until the 14th. So teams need permission to interview him right now, but if McCarthy waits another 8 days, he's free to do whatever he wants without Cowboys permissions.

The Bears offensive weapons would be really appealing, but I think when you combine the awfulness of that franchise over the years and how good the rest of that division is looking for at least the next 5 years or so, it just wouldn't be the job I'd take if I was Johnson. Sure the Patriots have to deal with the Bills, but the NFC North has the Lions on the same level and then the Packers and Vikings are certainly better than the Dolphins and Jets right now and over the next few years.

I think it's more posturing towards the Bears fan base because he knows Johnson would be a long shot to take the job but it's who the fan base likely wants to pair with Williams. It's his way of making it look like they're turning him down as opposed to him turning them down. I think he'll consider the Jags and Patriots because of their QB situation, but I said it in a thread the other day, I very well could see him stay in Detroit for one last season to try and get hired by whoever has the #1 pick next year so he gets Manning as his QB.

This guy has some serious problems, he needs help or he's going to be the next Delonte West and we're going to see stories of him homeless and living on the streets in a few years.

People said that about Malik Willis and Will Levis at one time too, it wouldn't be the first time the media just gets sucked into the hype but the teams see right through it. Sure, he probably still will go in the Top 3, but I don't think he's good enough, that there are already reports that some teams don't even have a 1st round grade on him, isn't a feather in his prospect cap.

More explosive doesn't mean better, T-Mac can do a lot of things that Burden can't. His catch radius alone is something that is very rare to find and what makes him stand out so much to me, especially when you combine it with how strong his hands are, he can just make catches that nobody else can.

lol, again, it's not the player, it's the draft slot and current roster that I don't like drafting him. Given XL and Coker, I just don't like using a Top 10 pick on a player of Burden's style of game, it's the same reason I like T-Mac over a WR Hunter in the Top 5 as well. It's about the fit for our team, we need that true outside #1 more than someone who is going to thrive in the slot. If we were picking in the early teens, I'd be much more open to Burden, but not at 8

I didn't say it wouldn't work, I said it would be a poor allocation of assets to use a Top 10 pick on a WR and still not have a true outside #1 when we have so many other holes. There is still no #1 WR in that group, let alone a true outside WR. You have 3 guys who all could be somewhat interchangeable, which can be good and lead to good things, but it lacks that elite WR that a Top 10 pick should bring you. We need a true outside #1 and a super quick twitch slot guy, Burden, while a great prospect, is kinda in between them. And I don't think it's jamming XL into the slot, he would EAT going over the middle against nickel DB's, and really what he's best at right now is getting the ball into his hands and letting him run with it, he's not great at making plays downfield. He'd be an Anquan Boldin type of guy for us in that role and I think its would fit him outstanding.

I didn't get why the Titans fired Vrabel, he's a great coach who was never able to find a good QB, but that's not always the coaches fault. Going offensive makes sense given Maye being so young and it would be good to pair him with one of those type of HC's, but even if they go Vrabel, that's a big upgrade at HC over Mayo, regardless of how it works out in the end.

If we didn't just draft XL, I'd be more on board with Burden, but I just think it's a poor allocation of assets given the number of holes on our roster to use our 1st on a player like him. He can play some X, but he's not a natural true outside #1. That's why I'm just praying T-Mac falls to us for some reason, he's our only shot at adding that outside #1 this offseason. Then do what I said and package up our 5ths to try and get a fast slot WR in the 3rd/4th and give us a WR room of T-Mac, XL, Coker, fast slot WR draft pick for the future and maybe Thielen for one more year. That's a well rounded WR room that compliments each other and gives you everything you need.

They've had some poor drafts because BB was losing his edge and trying to outsmart everyone by being contrarian too much, it's what caused the roster to be where it's at, not the franchise as a whole. When you have a run like that and a coach who had that track record, it made all the sense in the world to turn the keys over to him. Sure they let him go too long with it and that's on the Kraft's a little, but it doesn't mean they're an awful franchise because of it. But they also have their QB in place and a stupid amount of cap room to build things up right. I think that's why they fired Mayo, not because they're a poorly run franchise. They see this as the chance to either get Vrabel who they know can run a team well and has history with them, or they can pair Maye with an innovative offensive minded HC who they can grow with and hopefully make them contenders for a long time.

Even if he hits the market, he's the only good WR under 30 on the market (Diggs, Cooper, Hopkins, Adams and a few other older guys will be out there), so if he's going to sign with a bad team, he's going to force them to way over pay for what he is. He's a mid to low end #1, he's not a Top 10 type of guy, but you're going to have to give him Top 5 money, it's just not worth it even before his injury history is factored in. Even if he doesn't stay in Cincinnati, I could see him going to somewhere like the Chargers for less money than others would offer. Put him in an offense with Herbert and Ladd in the slot, they could be dangerous.

Having a bad roster is not having a dumpster fire of an organization. Yes of course Brady/BB had the most to do with it, but they still have 6 SB's and not too far removed from them. They have/had trouble getting out of the BB regime, which isn't abnormal given how much he had control there, but I wouldn't put them in the same category as many of the poorly run franchises. They also have a ton of cap room and a really good looking rookie QB.

I don't love the pass rushers in this class either, which is why i was saying I wouldn't have taken any of them over T-Mac or Johnson in the Top 5. But I also don't love Burden as a fit for us anyways, which is why I couldn't take him over one of the pass rushers either. Yes we need that super quick slot WR, but we also badly need a true outside #1, which Burden is not. Drafting Burden means we'll have 3 WRs we expect to be a big part of our future along with XL and Coker, but none of them at true outside #1's. I don't like the idea of spending back to back 1st Rounders on guys who probably both should be playing out of the slot, especially with a Top 10 pick. Plus, you can find those fast slot WRs in the middle rounds of the draft all the time, you just need to evaluate well and hit on the pick, which is it's own issue of course. I'd package up some of those 5th round picks to move up into the late 3rd or early 4th and take the fastest WR we can get in that range.

I assume you mean Bears and Jags, as the Patriots are anything but that. The Jags have a lot of great offensive weapons though, far better than what we were offering up the last 2 years when we were hiring coaches. I think when you look at Lawrence, Thomas, Etienne, and Bigsby, that situation would look mighty appealing to someone like Johnson who would look at that as his Goff, St Brown, Gibbs, Montgomery to work with. Then combine it with their currently weak division and I think it's actually a pretty good opening for a good offensive coach to step into and do well in right away.

Too high for Burden as I'd take any of the pass rushers over him at 7 or 8 and at least one of them should be left. I don't think any of Ward, Sanders, Hunter, T-Mac, or Johnson make it to 7 and guessing an OT will go before then, which means Graham or Carter would be there, both of whom I'd take over Burden. And if they're not, it means someone else there fell, who I'd also take over him then. I don't like the idea of a trade down because I don't think anyone will make it worth our while. But if we were to trade down into the 12ish range, that's where I think Burden would become an option. It's weird, but I'm now kinda hoping I'm wrong on T-Mac running a sub 4.5 at the combine, because now if he runs in that 4.55 range, he might fall to us, LOL. But when he runs 4.49 or better like I think, I don't think he falls to us.