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This is honestly shocking He's the 2nd most accurate kicker in NFL history, has only missed a handful of games in his career, twice lead the league in FGA, was the league leader in XPA and XPM in a season, and lead the league in points one year too (while also having the most FG's that season too). Really surprising that he hasn't been named to either of those teams yet

By the end of 2029, he should have passed Moore's 5,201 and be sitting only behind Smitty, Moose, and Olsen. EDIT: realized you might have meant this as 4th overall, some of the other posts were just about rankings among WRs and excluding TEs and RBs

So basically, T-Mac is going to be our 4th leading WR of all time before he's even eligible for his first extension. Actually just looked and if he stays healthy and is the player I expect him to be, he'll be Top 5 amongst WRs in Rec, Yards, and TDs before he's extension eligible. 176 Rec, 2424 yards, and 19 TDs are the 5th best all time for our WRs, there is a legitimate chance he beats all of them by the end of his 2nd season, but at worst should pass all of them during his 3rd.

Mid season the opportunity might not be there, part of the Vikings need is to have him the first few weeks. The Vikings right now will get us the best return on him in a trade, can’t see a scenario where any team would need a WR so bad mid season that they give up more for him than whatever the Vikings will right now.

Nah, because if they weren't planning on keeping Horn, he likely wouldn't have played at all, hoping they could then sneak him through to the PS

I think that means he's a lock to make the team but they know he'll be 5th or worse on the depth chart, so they wanted to get him as many snaps as possible before he ends up getting minimal snaps in the regular season.

huh? If Thielen stays here this year, I'd bet he takes less than 10% of his snaps lined up outside, and I'm being very generous with that 10% T-Mac, XL, Coker, Renfrow, and Horn I think are all more likely to be lined up outside on any given play than Thielen would be at this point in his career. This is all about Renfrow as he's the Thielen replacement if we trade him. If we're not confident about Renfrow's health, this is a non starter for the team to even discuss.

It all comes down to if the staff is confident in Renfrow staying healthy. Thielen and Renfrow will likely never be on the field together and they both can play a short yardage role out of the slot well. If we're confident in Renfrow's health, there is zero reason to not trade Thielen, get something for him while we can, whether it a pick next year or hopefully a LB or DB we can use this year. That also allows us to keep Moore for special teams as well, which I think makes for a better roster.

Exactly, creating cap room through extensions for the current season is only needed when you're already over the cap or barely above it and want to sign a few players. What we did here is just about the extension as any unused cap just gets rolled into next year's cap space.

All time high, equal to the 2 week lead up to the SB's, if not even greater. You all know why, so don't call me crazy, lol

Well, hope they're not worried about a torn Labrum or Rotator Cuff, as someone who went through that myself, I know those don't have anything show up on X-Rays but from the MRI, so this is kinda a nothing update, hope it's not a tear or his season is already over if they decide to do surgery now. Which is basically what would be needed to get him to 100% for the start of next season's training camp if it's a labrum. If he plays the season with it and then does surgery, he's not going to be ready for camp and probably not the start of the season either.

The cap hit is meaningless if there is a very real chance he'd be the 5th WR anyways, which there is. There is a real possibility that Renfrow proves to be more effective in the slot possession role than Thielen is. If that's the case, take the hit and trade him for a pick as none of T-Mac, XL, or Coker should be losing any snaps to Thielen this year, we need to see what Bryce and all these guys can be.

Sure, but they made a general comment, not necessarily about Hendrickson, which is where I think they're in the same position as us. If they were to try and make a deal for Parsons or McLaurin, that would make more sense for a comment like this. McLaurin would be great for the development of Maye and Parsons would be a big help to their defense that is lacking pass rushers. I don't think a team like them should try to trade for Parsons, that really should only be something contending teams consider. But with their lack of pass rushers, it makes much more sense than someone like us, who even though we don't have great ones, we just used a 2nd and 3rd rounder on two very promising ones and I'd rather play that out than give up the assets/contract for Parsons.

That "cap space" is also a bit misleading since the article also says they're already over the cap for next year. So that cap space they have this year is really likely going to be rolled over into next year so they don't have to purge contracts to get under the cap. While they also have to re-sign Gonzales to a new deal next offseason as well which will need cap space that they don't currently have. But they are in the same boat as us in terms of Hendrickson, just doesn't make sense to give up a high pick, players, and a big contract unless you're in a SB window this season.

It’s not even about Arch, it’s that there is no way we should be trading a 1st rounder for a guy who might have 2-3 good years left in him because of his age. Trading a 1st for a player like that is a win now move, this roster is nowhere near ready enough to make those kind of trades.

lol at everyone calling me crazy but ignoring my very next line saying he’d cost us more than that trade. My point was if we can get him for a player we’re gonna cut and the player he’d replace in the lineup, without giving up even a 3rd, and getting him on a deal cheaper than he wants, then yea, I’m in. But not at the cost of what the Bengals will want and the contract he’ll need, not for a 31 year old when we have two promising rookies who need snaps this year.

I mean, look, if we could get him for say Wonum, Moore, and a 4th, and then he’d be okay getting $20 a year for 3 years with just 40 guaranteed, then sure, I’m in. But I think it would cost us more than that in trade capital and a decent amount more money too. Yes we might only have rotational or backup rushers as they currently stand. But I think there is a real possibility that Scourton and Princely could be our starting edge rushers for years to come, maybe as early as next year. Trey is someone you’ll get 3 years out of hopefully, I’d rather gamble on us finally hitting on some 2nd and 3rd rounders to have as starters on cheap deals for a few years than give up the capital and cap room for a 3 year rental.

Would have made sense before the draft, but now that we drafted Scourton and Princely, it just doesn’t make sense to give up players, picks, and the contract for a soon to be 31 year old. Sure, he could be really good for us and improve the defense, but it would be at the direct cost of developing players who could play here at a high level more then 3 years down the road from now, unlike Trey would.

Yep, I'm hoping we either HAVE to extend him or we trade him for the best offer, and if none, cut him. Anything in between is worst case scenario

I'm not so sure he built a defense around a specific DC. Most 3-4 defenders can fit a role nicely if they switch to a 4-3, especially when the OLB's are more like DE's and the DE's are more like DTs, which is the case for us with Scourton/Princley and Brown/Wharton. I think if we move to a 4-3 next year with a new DC, we'd have a pretty good DL and then likely use FA and the draft to bring in some LB's. It's some DE's and OLB's in 4-3's that don't have great fits for them in 3-4's sometimes. Which is exactly why I was always against someone like Walker in the draft. He's a 4-3 OLB and didn't really fit any role very well in a 3-4.

The two 0-16 teams in NFL history both went 4-0 in the preseason in the year they didn't win a game. Preseason really means nothing

My real fear is he will have the type of season that the team isn't ready to give up on him yet but he still hasn't proven worthy of being the long term guy either. When was the last time a 1st round QB was unable to prove they should (or shouldn't) be that team's long term solution after 3 years of being the starter and then still ended up being that team's long term QB? And that's my point, if he can't prove he's worthy of the extension this year, I'm not on board with bringing him back for year 4 as a prove it season. I can accept losing this year because the defense is still not there yet, but the offense is built to put up points with a good QB. There really is no excuse for Bryce to not live up to his draft position this year, if he can't, why wait another year (or two if they pick up the 5th year) to delay getting a QB in place to give us a shot to win a SB? I'm also not even saying that's what I think is going to happen, just what needs to happen if it comes to it. I know I've been a vocal anti Bryce person, but I have nothing against him and hope he succeeds because it's what is best for the franchise, to have our solution already in house.

Sorry, but if Bryce hasn't shown enough this season to prove he should be signed to an extension, then it's time to move on from him in the offseason. If he was even just a 2nd round pick it would be different, but when you trade away the farm to take a guy #1 overall, he doesn't get to his 4th season as still an unknown and then you throw him back out there as the starter for said 4th year. This is a make or break year for Bryce, the only way he can go into next season as our starting QB still on his rookie contract is if he balls out and then he's the one who won't sign an extension yet because he wants another great season on tape before signing his extension to get a bigger one. Another offseason of putting the cap space into the defense and another good draft, should have this roster set up to be a playoff team with good QB play. We can't waste yet another season on Bryce if he hasn't shown to be the guy the team sold fans on with the trade and draft.

You're touting someone being a backup QB on a SB winning team (who has 15 TD passes across 25 career starts) and another 40 year old player winning a SB MVP 13 years ago... And you think I'm the one not being serious? Yes, a true 2nd round QB talent should 100% be able to win that Week 1 starting QB job over those guys, no question about it.

The one good thing about being a non NC based Panthers fan these days is YouTube's Sunday Ticket for the regular season. $450 is a lot for the season, but it's still much less than I used to spend over the course of the season at BWW to be able to watch us every week when DirecTV had the package. Plus, it's amazing for Fantasy as I'm able to get 6 games going at once, one of the local TV games, one on my laptop, and then the quad box on the projector with 4 more games (and can even get a 7th game going on my phone if needed).