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He runs a full NFL route tree already, can be used in screen games, quick slants, going across the middle, go routes, basically anything you want. Yes, he needs to get a little quicker off the line at the snap and crisp up his cuts on his routes a tiny bit, but honestly, those are two of the only things he needs to work on, he's such a complete player already. His biggest "flaw" is his lack of top end track speed, but realistically, Bryce doesn't have the arm to properly utilize that type of WR anyways. And once he gets going with his long strides, he has MORE than enough speed to be a true elite #1 WR. I still think our chances of landing him come down to his 40 time. If/when he runs a sub 4.5 like I think he will, I can't see him getting to 8. I'm pretty much to the point of hoping his size and lack of a track background make him slow out of the blocks so he runs a 4.55 and falls to us at 8. Curious what you mean by "decision making" as that's not something you hear about a WR (what kind of decisions are they making out there?) But if it helps.... one of the things that made him so good in college was that his QB was his best friend and have played together since 8th grade. His "find an open space and sit in it for his QB" game is as good as I've ever seen at this level because of that connection, so you know once he gets comfortable with his NFL QB, it's going to be a Mahomes/Kelce type of situation, where they share a brain out there and just know what the other person is doing.

lol In all honesty, the major difference is that Mango and XL were projects, they both had raw physical talents that they still needed to tap into. T-Mac is the exact opposite, he's been productive since the second he stepped onto the field in college, has insane physical tools, and just needs to fine tune a couple specific areas of his game to really take his game to the next level in the NFL, in particular his initial get off at the snap and crisping up his cuts just a tad. He already runs a full and complete NFL route tree, something neither XL or Mango can do even right now. If he just cleans up his cuts on said routes by even just like 33% to give him just an extra half step of separation, it's going to help take his game to a scary level, as his hands are as elite as they come, give him a little more space and he's going to be a future HOFer

haha I love it, all good. And I totally agree, especially for someone like T-Mac since most of his highlight reels are made up of his absurd contested catches. Which sure, they're amazing and love to watch them, but when that's all people see of him, then see his size, it creates this false narrative to them that he's this plodding big WR. It's when you watch the innocuous plays of his from his full tape that you see his complete usage that shows off his versatility and unexpected speed/agility for a player of his size. A quick WR screen where he then makes a man miss and pick up 10 yards after the catch isn't going to make his standard 2 minute highlight reels. But they're the plays that show off his unnatural moving ability for a player of his height.

1 of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong.

Appreciate the assist, but that was about as sarcastic a post that has ever been made on here, LOL. I've been rather obnoxious on here in my push for us to draft T-Mac for about the last year and a half now, being an Arizona alum and all (as I type this while watching the Arizona basketball game right now haha)

never heard of the guy, but i guess i could be accepting of picking him

A single first round defensive pick won't turn around the defense on their own, to think it will is just foolish, especially if we end up with someone like Carter who is more project than immediate impact anyways. Our best path to improving the defense next year is through Free Agency, not the draft. And again, this was never about using the pick on T-Mac, it was the "another big bodied WR" description, as that's just not who he is. This is from a new big board posted on ESPN today, "He has the reach and length to win on 50-50 balls, but also has the acceleration to be a yards-after-catch nightmare." Hardly the description of "another big bodied WR" as you liked to put it

What?!?! Right now we're looking at having a bottom 5 WR room in the league next year. We have an old but steady slot WR and 2 guys with potential but far from tapping into it. In no world is that good enough for a team with a QB who is a game manager with still tons of question marks. T-Mac is going to be a future Top 5 WR in the league. If you want to argue FOR a defensive player, so be it, can't fault someone for feeling that way, but to think we don't need WRs and that T-Mac wouldn't be a great fit for us, is delusional. You can want a defensive player at 8, that's fair, but to think T-Mac would be a bad pick there is just straight up wrong. None of it is even what my initial reaction to your post was even about, it was considering T-Mac as "another big bodied WR" is just as wrong as anyone could possibly be, regardless of what you think about us taking him at 8.

Might be tough to find Nike Smitty jerseys, I could be wrong, but off the top of my head, I feel like the Nike deal to take over our uniforms started right around Cam's rookie year (maybe actually his 2nd season), which wouldn't leave a ton of time for there to be Nike Smitty jerseys out there to find, I know my Smitty is a Reebok.

lol don't think you're quite getting what I'm saying, because yes, I totally get that sometimes players don't enjoy playing for a great coach, and yea, I'd understand if Belichick was on that side of the list. All those other guys on that list, I can see it, there are known things about all of them that would make us fans get why they're there. I was literally asking WHY McVay was on that side of the list, as I'd never heard anything about him or his coaching style that would make players not want to play for him. Not that I was just saying "hey, he's a great coach, why would anyone not want to play for him?"

100% But those other guys on the unpopular list have histories/stories of things that make people question them as a HC and/or why people wouldn't want to play with them. I'd never heard of anything like that with McVay, which is why I was surprised he was on the list and asking why he'd be on that side of the ledger.

I'd describe him as... A tall WR who moves better than a player his size should be able to, with an absurd catch radius and vice grips for hands. But my point in the other post was when people use the word "another" before "big bodied" is just so clear that they're expecting him to be some big plodding WR in the mold of a KB or something like that, which couldn't be further from his game. He was regularly used in the quick screen and slant game to get the ball into his hands and let him make defenders miss. He was 5th in the Big 12 in YAC this season, not something you'd usually see in one of those "big bodied WRs" in the way people talk about them.

calling T-Mac "another big body receiver" is the clearest sign someone hasn't seen enough of his game to know what they're talking about.

I'm surprised to see McVay in the unpopular list. He seems like a coach who is liked by his players, he's an elite offensive mind, and he's won a SB, why is he in that list?

It was a jerk move by Coen to not let the Bucs know he was re-considering the Jags, but this is nothing like the McDaniels one. This is an OC telling a team he was going to stay as an OC and then change his mind and take a HC job. McDaniels was a team announcing him as their HC and then him changing his mind to stay as an OC. The only bad part is that he ghosted the Bucs, but it's nothing like taking a job as a HC and then changing your mind, that really screws that team over much more and is a way worse PR look.

To who? Only way I can see he goes Top 8 is if someone BADLY wants him and trades up to take him there, as there aren't any places that make sense for him. Right off the bat, Titans, Patriots, Jets, Jags, Giants, and ourselves have starting RBs for next year so none of us are taking one in the Top 8. That just leaves the Browns and Raiders who could potentially take him, and even then, there are going to be a lot of FA RB options this year, not sure either will pass on the other top talent to take an RB instead of signing one.

Kiper has been coasting on his name for at least a decade now. He was big back in the day, but he's really not that good anymore, he has tons of big misses on his evaluations these days, and it goes both ways, players he is high on often suck and players he's low on end up being stars. I think Frank Caliendo extended Kiper's usefulness for years, if not for him keeping Kiper relevant with his bit a number of years back, I think ESPN might have moved on from him by now.

Just saw this a few minutes ago, literally shocking to make this move at this point and after other HC's have been hired, particularly Johnson who might have gone to the Jags had they made this move 2 weeks ago.

Are there real rumblings or is it the same assumptions people have been making since they drafted JSN that they'd just end up trading DK to save money before he needs a new contract?

This has absolutely nothing to do with our defensive struggles. At any given time, even a great team that is good at drafting has probably 5-7 of their own first round draft picks still on the roster. You need a lot more than good first round picks to build a good offense or defense, let alone a full team.

I think they're more self aware than you think, it's literally the exact same thing about Jordan fans complaining about Lebron flopping or complaining to the refs, same things Jordan did himself (at least in complaining to refs and getting preferential treatment, I know flopping wasn't really a thing quite yet in his era). They see Mahomes and the Chiefs as a thread to Brady and the Patriots as the GOAT and GOAT Dynasty and don't want to lose that mantle, so they attack them because of it.

and we've changed our HC every 1-2 years during that time frame too lol. Bottom line is GM jobs open up less than HC jobs and there are far more potential candidates for a GM job too. If a team is looking at you for theirs, you don't pass it up, you go for the job.

I have a weird back and forth love-hate thing for Brady Grew up a big Michigan football fan, so of course I liked him before he was drafted. Then of course HATED him after they beat us and became "Brady" But then having Gronk be such a key player to their second set of SB's, my favorite non Panther as the 2 years he played at Arizona were my last 2 there so I got to watch his college career in person, I begrudgingly rooted for the Patriots and grew to appreciate his greatness. Now I hate him again for stealing Olsen's job on the #1 fox crew.

The real question with Chinn was why we didn't trade him last year before the deadline. Evero wasn't playing him, there was a literal 0% chance he was going to re-sign here this year after not getting on the field the year before. Even getting a 7th round pick in return for a player we wouldn't be able to re-sign and we weren't playing, would have made it worth it. And that's coming from someone who was a big Chinn fan and upset that we weren't playing him, but once it was clear Evero didn't plan to use him, there was no point in not trading him as he had traded value.