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Welp, fug it. I guess I was stupid to hope we hired a firm to help us search for great candidates. Hiring from within when the GM crew was the worst we’ve ever had the past three years and our vet moves were as bad as the draft, makes no sense. Oh well, maybe we’ll have some luck since our franchise always seems to get the benefit of the doubt and the best luck.

We didn’t burn it down with Rhule and as sad as it seems, we kept the worst part of Rhule/Fitterer duo and now we have a worse team armed with less draft picks to rebuild. If we had burned it down, we might have had someone other than Fitterer who would recognize that Burns was a much better way to get a rookie QB and surround them with talent.

Exactly. We should have let Grier try to get us the top pick (or pick 3 to get SF’s 3 firsts) in 2021 and we should have let Corral/bad Mayfield get us a top 3 pick in 2023 so we didn’t have to sell the farm for Young and maybe get lucky that we had to take Stroud. We’ve done the FA QB thing for years and got nowhere. Let Young get us a top pick in 2025. Like he did in 2024 only for us to trade it away because we didn’t have the picks from Burns to use.

It’s comical. Heck, people think he was sending in play calls. Tepper is responsible for everything because he’s made egregiously bad hires, but I do find it funny that some people actually think he’s made every football related decision. It was the same way with Rhule where many in here (not me) forgave Fitterer for having to deal with Rhule and his wife and 2 drafts later with more control, we find that the best value pick we made in Fitterer’s reign was the RB that Rhule’s wife liked.

Yep, again why I’m not interested in an ex-Panther that was part of all of the awful decisions including trades we made and ones we should have. The guys from the drafts we even call decent are easily replaceable. The only above average talent is a guy we took #8 overall and he’s missed 29 games in 3 years.

It all made no sense. You run the clock out to keep the ball away from Mahomes and then the first two plays are end zone shots so no need for KC timeout and best case is you are tied and KC can win with a FG. Also, two incompletions and you did 0 to improve the FG chance after the 2 minute warning. That underneath pass looked like Diggs had enough space that he keeps going and gets a first down. KC had 2 timeouts so worst case is they have to get a FG with no timeouts, probably under a minute and most importantly no Tyreke Hill. Best case, you get 1 more first and get a TD without any time left for KC to score a TD.

Had we taken the Rams deal for Burns, we would have had pick 36, which was 3 picks away from where Tennessee traded up for Levis. We could have traded up from 36 to 33 for a 4th. So, for the same as what we used to trade up for DJ Johnson, we could have turned the Rams pick into LaPorta who was taken 34th. Heck, for a little more than we used on DJ Johnson overall, maybe trade from 36 to 24 for Kincaid. It seemed like both Buffalo and Detroit (especially after Hockenson) were TE spots. I’m sure we’ll go TE in this draft since 2023 was the loaded TE draft and this year looks like a loaded WR draft. Oh well, La Porta and two more firsts wouldn’t have helped the offense anyway. I’m just glad we quickly locked up Burns…

Especially after trading CMC for what amounted to a mid 2nd. Considering our 2nd round picks under Fitterer netted us Darnold, TMJ and Mingo, we already knew we were just giving away CMC. Burns was the perfect substitution. No real impact in your rookie QB’s development and we would have fleeced the Bears had we traded Burns to LA and then used the picks. Going into 2023, our 1st round picks were less valuable than the Rams (they had a legit amazing 2023 draft) so the Bears would have wanted the Rams’ firsts instead of ours. We could have won another few games (due to CMC/Moore/minus Burns) and still had a top 5 pick. Couple making the correct trade and picking the right QB and Fitterer and Reich might still be around, which would likely have not been good and they were cogs in our utter destruction so conjecturing about “good moves” and Fitterer is an exercise in futility.

Said the same thing last night. 2nd and 8 and you let the clock run down to the 2 minute warning so you are trying to eat clock to score a FG or TD and not let Mahomes touch the ball. What happens? Two straight end zone throws so tons of time left and no improvement on the length of the FG attempt. That’s been his MO for a long time and it has bitten him so many times. It’s why even though Cook looks OK, I think CMC would have been good for him. Having a check down guy or extra receiver you can legit count on and who can break it on any play gives him another Diggs. He doesn’t feel bad about forcing some throws to Diggs and maybe he would have felt the same as CMC.

Yep. Just like the Tepper haters, everyone will be happy once we actually have a GM/scouting who can draft well and a coach who can build a solid offense. They can figure out who’s worth saving and who can work in the scheme you want to run. It’s going to take time and honestly, I have 0 faith in Young so be patient and don’t try to keep patching like we have been. Every draft should have 2+ OL/DL. I don’t know if this 100% correct but it sure seems like there are a lot more late round OL that are successful. I hope our new GM/scouts don’t ignore OL like Fitterer and Hurney did from 2018-2023.

Well, if he’s truly not a yes man then he didn’t do a good job either and again, his ex-player status doesn’t mean anything. Our 2022/2023 FA/trading for vets was pretty much poo and that’s why keeping him over a more proven/successful candidate makes no sense. If he wasn’t an ex-Panther, no one would bat an eye if he was gone because the total GM/scouting department has been poo for all 3 years.

Paychecks for coaches and I think GMs don’t matter when they have a contract and get paid whether they work or not. Sorry, but the boss isn’t an ex-NFL coach or GM so it’s not the same. This place acts like Tepper is making every decision and yet we didn’t draft Fields who Tepper wanted and we didn’t make the Rams or Texans an offer they couldn’t refuse when we heard he wanted Stafford and Watson. Let’s not act like Reich, Morgan and McCown were so afraid of Tepper that they couldn’t say anything. It’s not like a normal worker situation where we all could lose our house if we lost our job. We didn’t have NFL careers and if we did standing up for what we believe in our second life wouldn’t be hard. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that everyone overall was OK with Young. If everyone outside of Tepper and Fitterer (he’s quoted saying he had Young #1 in 2021 too) wanted Stroud and they didn’t make their voice heard because they were scared then I’m glad they are gone and I hope we don’t keep them.

Then all the members of our staff with NFL experience are a bunch of sackless wonders. You can try and pin the blame on one guy but let’s be real here. It would be sad to think that Tepper and Fitterer decided the pick when all the coaches and assistant GM wanted Stroud. Sorry, I don’t believe this single point of failure because that means that all these ex-NFLers didn’t have the cahones to speak up and if they didn’t then they should be gone.

And what does that have to do with being our GM now? If you glance at the topic above it says Morgan could be our next GM not who are our best MLBs in franchise history. Here’s what we actually know that matters. Morgan has been Fitterer’s assistant GM since 2021. He was hired after the 2021 draft, but he’s been here since right after the draft which means he helped oversee the worst back to back drafts we’ve ever had and assisted in multiple worst moves this team has ever made as well. His record as assistant GM is horrific even if we don’t know exactly what he’s been involved with and that is far more important to deciding if he should be GM rather than his playing career.

That #20 for SF really sucks.

It is. Still should have called a timeout because now they almost only have time for a FG instead of going for the win.

They didn’t though. GB didn’t call a timeout, which was dumb. Should have had 1:40 left and 2 timeouts. I’d rather have that than 1:07 and 3.

So true. Lol at Ravens D talent being worse than ours. How many first round picks do they have on D?

We don’t know but just like last year when everyone blamed every bad move on Rhule, people were saying oh Fitt just needs a chance because we don’t know. Well, now we know and instead of just hoping Morgan might be good let’s just find a good candidate. This board just loves familiarity but let’s be honest, this GM/scouting team has done so little right that we can’t even say maybe Morgan chose X. We have nothing from 2021-2023 that tells us if Morgan did anything good so why not go with a non-ex panther and non-Tepper buddy to get some drafting expertise we so desperately need. There are plenty of candidates that were part of good drafting teams. Morgan was not part of a good drafting team. He was a part of a GM duo who’ve had 3 shitty drafts.

Man, I still don’t get the hate on DG. He made some bad picks but he had 5 drafts with Cam and he absolutely tried to help Cam. A healthy KB would have been a big difference but DG got the following OL: Oher, Norwell, Turner, Williams, Moton and yes, even tries with Kalil. He also drafted KB, Funchess, Samuel and CMC. That was in 5 drafts. Sure, not all the moves worked out but he at least got him a solid OL. From the end of 2014-2017, our OL was solid and ranked high. We just had an absurd amount of injuries in 2016 and then Hurney came in 2017 (post draft thankfully) and ignored OL again.

You really don’t get that we aren’t defending KB overall. You brought up the 2017 playoff game. A one shoulder Funchess was by far the best WR we had after KB was traded. KB wasn’t a super star but he makes the catch that Clay dropped. Clay still hasn’t caught a single TD in the NFL but that’s who Cam had to use and we lost the playoff game because of it. Simple as that. It is funny that you say he was on pace for 64 catches and not quite 1000 yards. Do you realize that would have been 2nd on the team in receptions behind CMC and 1st on the team in receiving yards?

SMH. Clay and Bersin have 1 receiving TD combined in their careers so yeah, I trust that KB would have caught that simple end zone route that he had done many times for us. Funchess led the team in receiving TDs in 2017. KB was tied with Byrd for 3rd with 2 TDs. CMC was 2nd. Byrd was on IR for the playoff game and also missed 7 games, and KB was traded in the middle of those 7 games. Even though KB was traded half way and also in the dog house, he still was 2nd among WRs/TEs with those measly 2 TDs. You can try all you want, but KB was a better red zone TD threat than every WR we had except Funchess, who was clearly hurt. Sorry Marty, you made a mistake when you traded KB in the middle of the season when the only serviceable WR we had healthy was Funchess. It showed in the playoff game when we depended on a WR with no career TDs and lost the game because of his dropped easy TD. Just to be clear, I’m not and never was talking about Funchess’ drop. I’m talking about Clay’s drop earlier where we got 0 points due to missing the short FG after the easy TD drop. KB wasn’t replacing Funchess, he would have been the other starter over Clay, Bersin and whatever other trash we had.

I remember when we weren’t the worst team in football and had seasons where it didn’t feel like we had no chance as soon as the other team scored 10. Brown had way more flashes his rookie year. It was his sophomore season when people questioned him because he regressed. Might want to compare apples to apples. If Young regresses in year 2, then you can compare him to Brown.

I agree. I also think his lack of arm strength caused some sacks because he was taking less chances. I can’t recall which of the early games it was, might have been a couple, but I feel like I remember an interception or two where he didn’t have enough oomph to get the ball past the CB. Heck might have been a pick six, but anyway, Young doesn’t have that flick to throw the ball 25/30 yards off balance with just his arm so avoiding grounding or an interception wasn’t as easy for him. Also, how many times did he fumble early trying to get out of the pocket. He’s not super fast so I think he ate it more often than a strong armed/fast QB would.

Too bad he never made the jump past his first couple years, but he was really cool when he met my youngest at a charity event. Pretty sure he was the only signature my middle son got at fan fest, both years ago. Funny story about Gaulden since he was taken with the pick we got for KB. Either Funchess misremembered or they had a joint practice with Buffalo. Gaulden and KB were never on the same Panther team. Horrible pick. I remember the anger in here when we picked Donte one pick after Jessie Bates (and before Justin Reid, Fred Warner and others). We needed a safety and of course taking Gaulden one pick before Mark Andrews when Olsen had just missed most of 2017 with his foot injury so TE was a big need as well. We all hated that pick as Gaulden was literally the least athletic DB at the combine and he lasted under 2 years with us. Damn, Marty really was bad after the first round.