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Sorry man, that analogy is being misinterpreted. The ceiling in your example is 48”. The 32” guy does not have a higher ceiling, he’s just got way more to do than the other guy but 32” guy can’t get to 54”. What you guys are trying to say is that Harrison, Odunze and Nabers are good enough right now to go top 4 to top 9 but their ceiling is pro-bowler because they’ve had multiple great college seasons and XL has a HOF ceiling because he’s only had one good year. If XL had so much talent that we could say he has a higher ceiling than those 3, he wouldn’t have gone 33. You are trying to cap those 3 as pro-bowlers. Those 3 are potentially HOFers. XL does not have HOF ceiling IMHO, but even if you want to say he does, it’s still not “higher” than the rest. I’m not saying the 3 will be, heck it’s more likely that at least one of them is a disappointment, but they absolutely have as high or higher ceiling than XL and a much higher floor.

I think you guys are being way too homerish here. The top 3 guys do not have less upside room. Thats silly and Ill be honest that while yes, every WR in the first few rounds could be the best WR in this class, just because XL is raw does not mean the top 3 have a lower ceiling. That would be like saying Chase, JJ, Lamb and others didn’t have high ceilings in the NFL because they were already more established. I welcome the chance that XL becomes a stud but you guys are being way to much of a homer to say he’s got the highest ceiling in a supposedly amazing WR draft with 3 potential studs taken top 10.

Slow your roll a little. Back in 2021, while many of us just wanted OL with almost every pick, there was a lot of cheering when we got TMJ right before the Saints. We got all excited for Fittermagic and in the end, we got poo instead of a pro-bowl C many of us wanted and NO got a starting LB and had to double up in 2022 on WR and got Olave and Shaheed. I don’t think we won the “screwing over” part of the draft then, and it worries me every time I see posts that mirror something we did in the Rhule, Hurney, Fitt and Reich periods. Here’s to hoping for different results and yes, to all that think cautious hope is terrible, I do actually want Legette and every other move to succeed. The past 6 years has sucked balls.

The pro day didn’t even matter. Fitterer was on record as saying he had Young number 1 the year prior to the draft as well. Complete Hurney 2.0 blinders on like Greg Little. While every other team used the combine to see how bad Little really was (he was a mid 1st prospect before any draft bowls/workouts), we basically ignored them. I think we had the same blinders on here.

SMH. Completely missed again. You are getting way too petty when I didn’t even call you out. Sorry for recalling something you posted before. It’s amazing how worked up people get. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a better result.

Also, if I was keeping score, I would have thrown this one out LOL. Happened to be one post above the Erving/Elflein thread. I do have to say the search function feels way better these days. Took seconds to search for you and Erving. Anyway, just chill man. I don’t really care and wasn’t trying to knock you at all. Just posting that your post brought me back to the optimism about OL pre-2021.

You need to relax a wee bit man. I’m not going to apologize for having a really good photographic memory. I’ve stored a serious amount of crap like this: Your topic was on Elflein and Erving’s fit after Fittermagic signed them. No need for me to call a number because it was your thread and if you don’t remember, that’s on you. You might want to work on your reading comprehension because I said that your post about Corbett and BC at Center reminded me of your topic on Erving and Elflein. I was sort of joking that that topic ended up poorly so I was worried about the Center spot more now. Sorry, not keeping score at all, that’s you reading into it however you want.

Appreciate the write up but all I can remember is a similar lengthy post telling us about why we Elflein and Erving will be better than we think. I also remember something about a 1000 yards and TMJ. Anyway, good write up but now I’m worried about C and I already was worried about not getting a rookie to develop for next year. This is the last contract year for both Corbett and BC.

So Legette is so bad than an UDFA is starting over him?

Not to be a Debbie Downer but we say the same thing every year since our last playoff appearance. X is gone and we have a better plan and now Y is unrestrained and can do his thing while Z now fits the new scheme, etc. We’ve been consistently ranked in the bottom half recently and that doesn’t usually take into account all the draft picks we’ve pissed away on bad trades. Those grades have been spot on for 6 years. I have a lot less issue with this draft compared to say the idiocy of ignoring OL as a huge weakness in 2021 or trading up for Little, DJ Johnson and Corral, but I still feel like there will be a bunch of guys we’ll wonder why the heck we didn’t take them. Hopefully, these guys ball out and we get 3+ impact starters, not just starters like Ian Thomas.

I was going to say something similar. I don’t need his Dad as extra motivation to make the 53. I hope he does just because we have some serious poo at the bottom of our WR group. Johnson, Thielin and Legette are the only guarantees. Mingo in his 2nd year is a lock as well but he can be beat out. The rest wouldn’t make other teams. Honestly, as an UDFA, Carolina is my top choice almost regardless of position. Backup depth is needed everywhere and there are a few starting spots that are manned by short term vets.

I’m hopeful but I was just stating the facts on where our grades were. We were not consistently getting lauded for our draft. Almost every grading I read put us in the bottom 10. I’m also not convinced we went BPA, especially in round 3 and day 3, with the exception of Sanders.

I’m with you. We have to stock through the draft. Look at 2021. Many in here (including me) wanted us to draft a ton of OL because Hurney had damn near ignored it and the OL was now poo. We took BC and the Deonte, who was dreadful at the Senior Bowl (worst OL). Many in here wanted Sewell or Slater if Sewell was gone and also a C like Humphrey in the 2nd and I know I pounded the table for Tre Smith, especially when he was still there in the 6th. KC has two back to back SB wins in part due to that great OL draft getting 2 long term starters for a 2nd and 6th. I think not getting a C in this draft was probably my biggest issue, especially the ones still available on day 3.

He’s right in our recent past. It’s not difficult to find the huddle draft opinions, especially in the Fitterer era. The Panthers drafting was so bad that even with huddle mistakes, the consensus in hear was way better than Fitterer.

SMH. Do you guys get that I was just trying to state that it’s fair for analysts to grade us on the players we actually selected and that’s it. You guys were getting so bent out of shape that our grades weren’t reflecting our new 2025 pick so I said I think it’s fair because then you’d have to consider everything like Burns. This circle jerk is not worth the energy.

But 39 was due to trading him. I’m saying you can’t just count the 2025 2nd in the grade without also counting losing Burns. I think grading the draft with the guys we actually took this year is fair. People were complaining that our grades ignore the 2025 second and ignoring how we got 39.

Overall, we really didn’t get decent grades. In everything I looked at C or C- were the lowest grades given out. Seemed like Atlanta was universally the bottom grade and we were usually tied with several teams in the tier above that. I’d say we were universally bottom 10.

Well if you have to do that then you also have to take into consideration that Brooks and that 2nd came by trading Burns. I think ignoring the 2025 2nd and then ignoring the loss of Burns makes it fair to grade without both.

It’s not a hard sale. Pretty sure we are the easiest roster to make. I remember talking about UDFAs back in the playoff days and there were barely roster spots when you looked at the 53. Any rookie that shows out has a legit shot. There are way less roster locks on the current team.

You can do whatever you want. Let’s be honest, you were the one telling me how to act and what I seemingly didn’t know. I’ve always liked the draft even with as poo as we’ve been the part 6 years.

Norwell? Addison? Remmers? We had 3 starters and one solid contributor (might be forgetting others) on that 2015 team that were UDFAs. UDFAs can be valuable. We just have done nothing with them in Hurney 2.0 and Fitt. We did a lot with them before that. Hurney 2.0 was mining the XFL of all things. I’ll never get that over college UDFAs.

If you don’t care so much, why do bother watching the draft and come in the threads? You’re acting like I don’t know that a team has its own ranking. It’s ok to disagree and think we passed on guys that we shouldn’t have. I actually enjoy the draft and I’ve got a great memory so I’ll remember the guys we passed over and check in to see if they pop up as successful or not. Also, I’ll be honest and maybe you will agree and maybe you won’t, but I think this team has royally fuged up by going for their needs instead of BPA. Miami is a playoff team and even after they took an edge in the 1st, they saw value in another edge in the 5th that they didn’t have in for a visit. I don’t think we’ve done that at all which leads to missing on solid players like Tre Smith a couple drafts ago. I think that our going for needs has been because our GMs have thought we were close even as our 2013-2017 playoff teams were basically whittled away. It has absolutely contributed to us going from 4 out of 5 playoffs to a 2-15 team that was lucky to barely win both games. I liked some of the picks today and hope they do well, but the way we finished up was reminiscent of the past 6 drafts. We’ll see but I’ll remember Limmer, Jones, McLahlan and Kamara to see if we might have had one of those mega drafts that we so sorely needed. Adios and you enjoy as well.

Ok? Those guys all went soon after our picks. Plenty of guys drop and then people wonder why they dropped after they are successful. Plenty of busts. Let’s not act like Team rankings are some infallible lists. If we had been drafting well the past 6 years do you think we’d be complaining as much? We complain because our GMs/scouting has been crap for the past 6 years. It’s that simple. The huddle rankings and consensus have absolutely been better than our team’s results.

Damn, hate to hear the announcers talk about what a steal Limmer is and to not be surprised if he turns into a star. I agree, he’s one of the picks that we’ll regret. I think Kamara and Limmer would have been a heck of an ending to our draft or even Jones and Limmer as great OL depth that maybe turns into two solid starters in a year. I’m not confident that Chau and Crumedy have the same upside.

My point exactly, we never stray from our tunnel vision and visits. Other teams do and that’s how they get guys like Tre Smith and maybe Kamara, Jones and all the Centers. Visits can never come close to covering every pick and scenario. Typically most of them are focused on top 2 picks like all 4 QB visits last year and all the late first and early to mid second ranked guys this year. I don’t think our scouts are worth a damn based on the last 6 years and our horrific hit rate at all levels. I think we don’t do enough digging so we seem to be the worst team at taking advantage of value/deep positions. Look at this draft. Super deep draft at OT, CB and WR with a decent amount of Cs (versus not deep at G). Out of those deep positions we got XL in the 1st and Chau in the 5th. Sure doesn’t seem like we took advantage of anything. The only draft pick where I feel like we got great value and got ahead of a run was Sanders and I think many of us in here had him on our short list for 101. The way the draft broke and the entire overnight and Sanders was an easy pick to make but we then missed Jones, Kamara and McLahlan (two TE sets could have been awesome for run and pass with two solid receiving threats at TE). Oh well, we’ll see how it goes.