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lol. We were in our own tier before the Miami game.

Made zero sense. He literally called timeout as it hit zero.

Bizarre. There’s literally no reason to call it at that point. Dude is legitimately horrible. Then Hurts follows it up with a scramble/run where they had no chance to line up for a spike. Not even close.

That might be true. No way to know but with all the picks we wouldn’t have wasted on Darnold, Baker, Corral and Young and having DJ Moore and CMC (Samuel and Robbie too, year 1), there’s probably a way better chance that he wouldn’t have busted. Unfortunately, we’ve had poo everywhere but maybe Rhule and Marty would’ve done OK. I’m still sure that our talent level would be much better by not having to trade CMC, Moore and all those damn picks to end up with Young at the end.

Right, but again, we used 2 1sts when we just had our 2nd best rushing game ever on a low cost FA acquisition. Chubba has almost half the rushing yards that Stewart had for his career. I just think we list every Hurney first as if they were all amazing and some were just OK (for firsts) at not marquee positions. His best legacy was that the 1st rounders didn’t bust a ton like the rest of his rounds.

Man, this revisionist history on Marty is funny. He was great at 1st rounders although I think we way overrate some of the players. For example, Stewart and Williams were solid but neither is in the top 50 in rushing in NFL history. They had 2 pro bowls in 22 combined years. Again, he rarely missed like Otah or the trades, but we went to the playoffs 3 times in his 14 years as a GM. I think “his” best team was 2015, which a collab with Gettleman who IMHO did a good job of filling around Luke, Cam, Greg and Norman to get a great DL (Star, Short, Ealy, Allen) and OL (Norwell, Turner) that was one good ref’d and coached game away the peak.

Love Brown, but we would be better off if we had Herbert. Imagine a world where we didn’t have to roll through all the QBs we have since Teddy. Imagine adding to that not wasting 2 1sts, 3 2nds and a few 3rd/day 3 picks on Sam, Baker, Corral and Young. Our 2023 1st might have been Jalen Carter to help ease the need for Brown. Pretty sure I’d take the Herbert avenue and still have Moore and CMC for Herbert. I’d also have still traded Burns for the bounty!

We should never have hired Morgan. I don’t trust him at all. The right hand man to Fitterer that agreed with not trading Burns should not have been hired. Fitterer should also have been gone with Rhule. The whole we should see how X does without Y so X deserves another year but us in the ass multiple times.

Let’s be honest here. This draft was so much worse when you realize how much we lost too. This draft was honestly a negative. We lost talent and picks. So we got 0 long term effective starters and we lost: 2024 1st overall pick, 2024 2nd (CMC trade key pick), 2025 2nd and DJ Moore. Oh, don’t forget the 2024 1st, 2025 1st and 2024 2nd that we decided wasn’t enough for Burns. That was 6-7 months before the 2023 draft. Fitterer could not have fuged this team over any more than he did in a period of 7 months. 7 months to lose Burns, Moore and CMC, lose 5 potential 1st round picks and blow an entire draft. I hope he was getting paid by the Seahawks or China to fug us that bad.

It does. Had we traded Burns and Moore for 3 1sts and a 2nd when we traded CMC, we likely don’t finish as well and maybe we don’t have to give up the farm for Young or maybe we luck into Stroud dropping. See my post earlier where me just missed out on a lot of talent because we had 5 wins, not 4 wins.

Did you read anything in my post? My point is that sometimes (to us in particular), one additional win knocked us out of the spot where game changers were drafting. No offense, but getting Herbert over Brown and Parsons, Karlaftis and Porter Jr over Horn is franchise changing. There is a difference in picking 1st to 3rd versus 8th to 10th. As much as you want to deflect, it gets you better players and huge trade offers instead of having to trade the world for Young since you’ve got pick 9.

Reminds me of 2018 when teams realized that Cam’s dink and dunk success early with Norv was also due to his shoulder being shot. After they did, no one played deep and we finished 1-7 that year. Cam didn’t finished that year and played 2 games the next before being shut down.

Lol. I’ll never understand this. Wishing that we end up with worse talent at the draft seems counterproductive to the goal. I’ll give you some examples: 1. We missed out on Herbert because of 1 win. Love Brown but having a real QB would be nice. Finished 5-11 and lost Herbert to SOS tiebreakers. 2. 1 win versus Rivera and we got Horn instead of pick 3, which is where SF gave 3 firsts to trade up for Lance. Here’s who we could have gotten instead: 2021 #12 Micah Parsons, 2022 #29 George Karlaftis (we wouldn’t draft a G), #102 - Assume we waste that, and 2023 #29 based on what it seemed like we liked, either Joey Porter Jr or maybe La Porta. Heck, maybe we use Mingo’s pick and move up from #29 to get a real WR between Njigba-Smith, Addison, Flowers or Johnston. Might have even been enough to avoid the XL fiasco and get DeJean or Frazier. Anyway, you can knock tankers all you want but having Herbert, Parsons, Karlaftis a real WR over Mingo could have changed our team. Don’t even care if Rhule was still here because we’d have made the playoffs in spite of him, especially if the real WR caused us to not draft XL. People want to stick their heads in the sand and call the draft random but there is undeniable proof that this team would be way better if we just went 4-12 instead of 5-11 in 2019 and 2020.

So true. Probably why I get snarky at the amazing draft we will be 9-8 or 10-7 guys. 7 coaches in 7 years is bad, but I think this is worse: We have the current longest streak of 10 loss seasons. We are at 6 years and look well on our way to 7 straight years of 10 losses and TBH, nothing on this team that looks like we’ll change that in the near future. We are the Browns, Jets or pretty much any team with a decade of futility and utter fan despair. Today was the could we actually be for real game and it got answered big time.

WTF do I keep seeing this posted? Thielen would not have impacted any games we played. We’d have the same record. We are better off with the 4th, which hopefully will be used by competent scouting/GM. I will say that it does seem like you watched the game and lost a bet with a NE fan to have a beer for every point NE scored so don’t worry about it!

In this tush push era, it really is amazing to think that we literally can’t run a QB sneak. That’s absurd. Hail Mary as well. WTF did we think the outcome would be different when there are core things like sneaks and deep passes that we couldn’t do?

Maybe we are just being realistic and realize that win against Atlanta had as much to do with their play as it did our play. None of us want to be bad, that’s just stupid. IMHO, we have just gotten tired of the “another great draft” we’ll challenge for the division and playoffs and the coaches and GM know what they are doing. I’m negative when I feel like we are watching the same old poo since the collapse in 2018 to now. Bad teams can win division games occasionally because of the familiarity but damn we can get blasted by teams like Jax and NE, who aren’t world beaters. The first 7 games were our easy part of the schedule and we are going to be 1-3. It certainly looks like we will have another 10 loss season to extend our league leading streak.

And every single one of those guys will not be above average starters. Their picks filled depth holes but they don’t make us better than other teams. I assume you are watching today’s game and it’s pretty obvious we aren’t a good team. None of the guys you mentioned are impact guys. Since 2020, we have maybe 3 impact guys in Brown, Horn and TMac (early but he’s flashed). The rest of our draft picks are “can start on the Panthers but easily replaced or not good enough to be on decent rosters/in the NFL at all.

Dude’s getting every call today. LSU would have been stopped 3 different times on that last drive and Ole Miss got 3 penalties to takeaway big stops. I don’t know if it’s a hate of Kiffen or business decision that an undefeated LSU is better than Ole Miss in the playoffs, but it’s honestly ridiculous. Calling bad PIs against Ole Miss and not calling obvious ones against LSU. It’s clear that it’s happening more often but refs are controlling outcomes way too much now.

Some more with current injuries, but solid WR1/2 combos IF healthy: Jefferson/Addison Lamb/Pickens Aiyuk/Pearsal Also, Egbuka seems to be taking over for Godwin. Quentin Johnson is leading LAC’s in receiving right now. If Franklin develops, he’s likely a better WR2 than XL. If Allen didn’t love TEs and run a lot, Coleman and Shakir could be solid. Just not enough WR balls. Shakir did have 800+ last year in 15 games but Coleman’s eating into that.

The number of starters doesn’t matter. We’ve had a bunch of rookie starters every year for a while now because we have awful talent and depth. What we need is to get more above average starters not Wallace, Sanders, Young, and XL. All started 8 or more of their rookie year games. Mingo started 14 games his rookie year. TMJ started 9 games. We are going to continue to be crap until we draft multiple “good” starters, not just bodies who start as rookies because we aren’t a talented team yet. Trouble is that we seem to only get above average starters from top 10 picks.

And just like that, GB gives up 13 unanswered points and loses to the Browns. Any given Sunday…

Was Legette so much worse than we thought? It’s almost like we were going 10 on 11 with him and the whole mood is better without someone killing drives with mistakes.

Anyone watching the game would understand the prevent D he faced after being the main reason we were so far behind. They think Young actually led us back not seeing the onside recovery or seeing Murray act like Young. It took a miracle to get us all the way back and then once the D started pressuring he folded like a cheap suit even with the refs calling penalties for us.

Yep. We are the fantasy owners that grab the last player left at the end of each run. We draft guys coming off bad injuries, athletic guys who’ve never shown they are good at football, one year wonders, projects, older prospects and worst of all guys who fall in more than one of those buckets. Even worse than that is we trade up for guys like that.