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We offered him $25k signing bonus and $225 guaranteed (including bonus) to sign as a UDFA. By making the team and doing well because he joined a team where he could, get this, start some and get almost 500 yards, guess how much he made in just 2024 and 2025? Over $1.7M. So, you really think he went for the most UDFA money or a place where the WR corps would allow him to make an NFL team and earn 8 times the UDFA money in his first two years and potentially cement himself for an even bigger payday of 2026 and beyond. Hmm, I wonder. I think seeing as he was the only UDFA RB, TE or WR to have over 158 yards (didn’t pay to see more stats muse, could have been even lower), he made the right choice on where to go to maximize earnings. Sorry again, but if you really think UDFAs and their agents prefer the small bonus/UDFA guarantee and don’t think about the easiest place to make the team, you’re wrong again. The $$$ you get just by making the team is way more and could get you multiple years. Choose a team you can’t make and your career can be over in one offseason.

It’s amazing how simple it is. When you are winning 2-7 games for 7 straight years, you’d think people would understand that just drafting some starters isn’t poo unless they are above average NFL starters. Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase started their rookie years like Legette did so we got an elite WR in the 2024 draft. Luke was a rookie starter just like Wallace. Damn we basically got a Kuechly and Jefferson last year. Bravo Dan Morgan!!!

I didn’t even say they would be starters. I don’t think Legette will be and Coker was not drafted. Coker chose to sign with us because our WR room gave him a chance to start even though we drafted a guy in the 1st. That should tell you something when Coker chose to come to Carolina even after we took Legette. We drafted and signed guys to potentially replace Sanders, who isn’t a starter yet over Tremble) and Wallace. Go look at our other drafts since Rhule. We had tons of rookie contribution from all of our recent classes. Why, because our overall talent sucked and we needed bodies. Go look at PFR. Here’s some of our players who “started” for a year: TMJ, Mingo, BC, Ian Thomas, Jermaine Carter, Dennis Daley, YGM and Roy. That’s what Legette and Wallace are right now although unless TMac bombs, Legette has kind of already lost his spot. We’ve had shitty drafts since 2018 and every single one has contributed at least two guys who’ve started so 2024 is tied for last right now and we just had a draft where we took 3 more players who play the same position as 3 of our top 4 picks in 2024 but somehow I’m saying that the 2024 draft class is good? Nope, the 2024 draft class was bad and our team is still in the low enough talent quadrant that lots of rookie contribute in our holes until we replace them. Been the same story since 2018 and accelerated as the old solid vets retired/move on.

Seriously? You think we might have 4 or even 5 starters the next couple years from last year’s draft? Wallace and Legette were starters because of injuries and no good depth. We’ve already resigned Thielen and drafted TMac. I’d be shocked if Legette isn’t WR4 (snap/target/production wise) behind those two and Coker. I’m not Sure if Wallace will stay a starter with Rozeboom. Smith-Wade might be the likeliest starter for now because we didn’t draft a CB. We’ll see if he sticks. Sanders may also start but the starting TE is like being the tallest midget. We’ve had about 500ish receiving yards from TEs each of the past 3 years whether it was Thomas/Tremble or Tremble/Hurst or Tremble/Sanders. Honestly, if Evans can stay healthy, the fact that he can actually block (unlike Thomas who sucked but was called a blocking TE) and catch could make him the best starter we have at TE. Also, Brooks missing two of four rookie contract seasons and caused us to draft Etienne in the 4th and sign Dowdle. Sorry man, you’re smoking some serious hopium trying to justify last year’s draft as if it was good. We are one of the worst talented teams in the NFL over the past 7 seasons and sometimes that means that we get a lot of rookie contributors but it doesn’t mean it was a good draft. Until the rookies are actually above average starters it’s like going from Thomas to Tremble to Sanders to Evans. There’s no impact to our win total until one of them actually is more than just a starter because we have to play someone. One last nugget, we won’t be a playoff team if 25% of our starters are from the 2024 draft.

Last year’s draft was bad and we all pretty much knew it afterwards except the eternal optimists. This year’s draft was way better. It still hinges on TMac working out and actually getting edge production, but there were no obvious WTF did we take him over XYZ. This draft could end up great or bad, but it has actual potential. Last year’s was a it’ll be great if somehow we hit the lottery odds.

Sorry, we can’t accept #4 when Person or one of the others said that Morgan was on the say no to the Rams Herschel Walker level deal team. He and Fitterer tried to extend Burns. We waited too long so he asked for $30M which basically cost us 2 1sts we could have used in the Bryce trade up and not given away the 2024 1st overall pick, Moore and this year’s 2nd. Morgan does not get credit for botching the Rams offer. All he’s done so far is spend a lot on FAs. Let’s let him actually have a solid draft first because the 2024 draft was pretty much a bust. We spent a 1st and 4th this year on the same positions we took 1st and 2nd last year.

No need to keep rehashing it but it wasn’t understandable because of the 2025 RB class. It makes no sense to take an injury risk that likely wasn’t going to have any impact in 2024 in the 2nd when you could have a healthy Johnathan Brooks in 2025 with a later pick. Getting re-injured was just the icing on top of the bad value pick.

Yeah, very few hits but it never feels like we get the top ones. Coker was and he did well. Outside of the kicker, seems like no one we got has any chance. Just looking at best available on a draft tracker and George is 93 out of 105 and no one else made the top 105 post draft. I know it’s not a be all end all but it still feels like we aren’t even trying hard.

I liked it better than the past few years, so that’s good. It has way more potential but it could be really bad, really quick. The edges and TMac have to be good. If not, there’s very little left. The draft has potential to be solid if we solve the edge issue or TMac becomes Evans. I just wish we spent a 2026 7th to jump a few picks and get a potential Moton replacement. I think that would have really helped.

Uh duh, Star dropped due to medical worries as well. This isn’t revisionist anything. Were you in the draft day threads back then? He was a day 2 talent that dropped because of medical concerns. If you want to be factually correct, many of us were saying to grab him in the 6th because we had 3 6ths and it was worth the risk. Smith played his entire last year at Tennessee and we all agreed that an NFL team could manage his condition better than Tennessee and it was worth the risk to draft him. The NFL clearly didn’t stop him from participating at the combine. Here’s his combine page: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-smith/3200534d-4976-4701-9935-2cd0c0d35dd1 if you want to read it. You can try and defend it like no team was willing to risk it but KC obviously did and we were all vindicated. It was absolutely worth it over a long snapper that never made the roster and an overweight guard that never played and was absolutely atrocious in the Senior Bowl. Heck, just look at what we did the next year. We took a Tennessee guard in the 6th. Pretty clear our own guys realized a mistake was made. Anyway, maybe some others revised their stories but I’ve been posting here for a long time and follow the draft process every year. I’m sure it would be tough to search but I’m sure there are plenty of people in here that remember the truth and that we weren’t revising anything. Smiths medical history was well known and sorry, he should have been our pick and it was 100% worth the risk.

So true. Our drafts have been A+ since 2017. We just bitch and moan about nothing. Honestly, had we sniped Williams this round, I’d be pretty happy. We need TMac to be a legit stud like Mike Evans and we need the edge guys to perform. If one happens, a late round diamond can still make it ok. If neither happens, we suck. If both happen, we might win the division.

OL drop a lot. Day 3 is ideal place to find diamonds in the rough. What sucks is that we’ve barely used late picks on OL. It’s why we have to spend $180M for guards and a center along with pick 6 overall to go with a RT that Gettleman selected. Trey Smith was a travesty especially when most of us in here wanted us to overdraft at OL. It’s not shocking that KC took Smith and that the Bills and Eagles took OTs right before us. We probably came into round 6 with a let’s get a return man and be happy with it. Actual, quality GMs/teams always draft well and draft value when it’s there.

Typical Panthers. Take special teamers over OL/CB, need positions. LS over Trey Smith, returner over TBD. Eagles did us dirty. Williams was the guy I really wanted in the 6th and we missed by one pick.

The top teams seem to have dominated just picking solid prospects while poo teams reached.

fuging a. Eagles get him and he’ll be a stud in a few years. I hate when we don’t jump in late rounds for obvious guys. Do we not learn that OL is fantastic value on day 3. Sucks we have a big need at RT when Moton is gone. OT going left and right and we just sit on our hands.

Be happy with either. Cam Williams, especially. This is the perfect spot to groom a replacement to Moton. He’s got the physical tools and his surgery may be why he’s fallen.

They do. The past 8 drafts including this one have been filled with every other team knowing our picks ahead of time and PR like this trying to explain reaches/bad picks. The Rams are the same team that offered us 2 1sts and a 2nd for Burns. I hope McMillan works out but a rumor about the Rams is just to make us feel better and has 0 impact on whether or not we made a good pick.

Huh? We didn’t take a WR at 8 to light a fire under anyone’s butt. McMillan was drafted to be WR1, it’s up to XL if he wants to be WR2 or WR3 with Coker or off the team like Mingo. Unless McMillan sucks, XL has already been put in the back seat. It just means that our 1st and 2nd round picks in Dan’s first draft were again, terrible picks.

Do you have faith in any WR we’ve drafted since Moore? I’m not a fan of our WR selections since Moore. It’s been lots of mediocre day 1/day 2 guys. McMillan just fits those guys. It’s just weird with weak armed QB that we wouldn’t go for small quick guys who can get lots of separation.

That’s done to get more hits.

We are famous for getting bad value recently. Why would you say we’ll take a discount? SMH. I believe we said it because we seem to leak a lot like XL saying we’re picking him.

True but his passer rating against was 91+. If he took away the other team’s best WR, we should have seen some sort of impact. I’m not saying he’s good, just haven’t seen elite.

That Brooks over Zack Frazier pick still stings. Grabbing a RB who isn’t going to play much in year 1 (before he got hurt again) makes no sense with the loaded 2025 RB draft. There’s so much talent that we’ll see some solid day 3 RBs. Not just surprises like 2024’s day 3 RBs but a few that would be day 2 picks every other year like Brooks.

See my post edit above, he certainly hasn’t had that lockdown/on an island type of effect. Josh Norman has that type of effect for a couple years with us and I’ll be honest that I haven’t felt like that for Horn yet. Looking at his 2024 stats (https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jaycee-horn/83375#seasonStatsWidget) doesn’t scream top QB. I think he’s good but I cringe a little when I hear he’s elite when healthy since his most healthy year was when we set a record for points against.

Has he truly been elite? I don’t recall our defense ever looking good over Horn’s career. I mean, is there even a noticeable scoring difference when he’s healthy? We have always, always overrated our guys and it’s pretty damn rare we actually have a player like Luke that it’s true. I loved Cam and he was a monster at times but we (most of us) revere him for his special plays more than results. Outside of the special 2015, he won 1 playoff game against a 3rd string QB. Don’t get me wrong, Cam was unbelievable at times but he’s a great example of us overrating players. Just for shits and giggles, I checked points against. We gave up 25 ppg from 2021 to 2024. In Jaycee’s 37 games, we’ve give up 26 ppg. I’d say Brown is far more valuable as our points against went from mediocre to record breakingly bad.