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Sorry, we can’t accept #4 when Person or one of the others said that Morgan was on the say no to the Rams Herschel Walker level deal team. He and Fitterer tried to extend Burns. We waited too long so he asked for $30M which basically cost us 2 1sts we could have used in the Bryce trade up and not given away the 2024 1st overall pick, Moore and this year’s 2nd. Morgan does not get credit for botching the Rams offer. All he’s done so far is spend a lot on FAs. Let’s let him actually have a solid draft first because the 2024 draft was pretty much a bust. We spent a 1st and 4th this year on the same positions we took 1st and 2nd last year.

No need to keep rehashing it but it wasn’t understandable because of the 2025 RB class. It makes no sense to take an injury risk that likely wasn’t going to have any impact in 2024 in the 2nd when you could have a healthy Johnathan Brooks in 2025 with a later pick. Getting re-injured was just the icing on top of the bad value pick.

Yeah, very few hits but it never feels like we get the top ones. Coker was and he did well. Outside of the kicker, seems like no one we got has any chance. Just looking at best available on a draft tracker and George is 93 out of 105 and no one else made the top 105 post draft. I know it’s not a be all end all but it still feels like we aren’t even trying hard.

I liked it better than the past few years, so that’s good. It has way more potential but it could be really bad, really quick. The edges and TMac have to be good. If not, there’s very little left. The draft has potential to be solid if we solve the edge issue or TMac becomes Evans. I just wish we spent a 2026 7th to jump a few picks and get a potential Moton replacement. I think that would have really helped.

Uh duh, Star dropped due to medical worries as well. This isn’t revisionist anything. Were you in the draft day threads back then? He was a day 2 talent that dropped because of medical concerns. If you want to be factually correct, many of us were saying to grab him in the 6th because we had 3 6ths and it was worth the risk. Smith played his entire last year at Tennessee and we all agreed that an NFL team could manage his condition better than Tennessee and it was worth the risk to draft him. The NFL clearly didn’t stop him from participating at the combine. Here’s his combine page: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-smith/3200534d-4976-4701-9935-2cd0c0d35dd1 if you want to read it. You can try and defend it like no team was willing to risk it but KC obviously did and we were all vindicated. It was absolutely worth it over a long snapper that never made the roster and an overweight guard that never played and was absolutely atrocious in the Senior Bowl. Heck, just look at what we did the next year. We took a Tennessee guard in the 6th. Pretty clear our own guys realized a mistake was made. Anyway, maybe some others revised their stories but I’ve been posting here for a long time and follow the draft process every year. I’m sure it would be tough to search but I’m sure there are plenty of people in here that remember the truth and that we weren’t revising anything. Smiths medical history was well known and sorry, he should have been our pick and it was 100% worth the risk.

So true. Our drafts have been A+ since 2017. We just bitch and moan about nothing. Honestly, had we sniped Williams this round, I’d be pretty happy. We need TMac to be a legit stud like Mike Evans and we need the edge guys to perform. If one happens, a late round diamond can still make it ok. If neither happens, we suck. If both happen, we might win the division.

OL drop a lot. Day 3 is ideal place to find diamonds in the rough. What sucks is that we’ve barely used late picks on OL. It’s why we have to spend $180M for guards and a center along with pick 6 overall to go with a RT that Gettleman selected. Trey Smith was a travesty especially when most of us in here wanted us to overdraft at OL. It’s not shocking that KC took Smith and that the Bills and Eagles took OTs right before us. We probably came into round 6 with a let’s get a return man and be happy with it. Actual, quality GMs/teams always draft well and draft value when it’s there.

Typical Panthers. Take special teamers over OL/CB, need positions. LS over Trey Smith, returner over TBD. Eagles did us dirty. Williams was the guy I really wanted in the 6th and we missed by one pick.

The top teams seem to have dominated just picking solid prospects while poo teams reached.

fuging a. Eagles get him and he’ll be a stud in a few years. I hate when we don’t jump in late rounds for obvious guys. Do we not learn that OL is fantastic value on day 3. Sucks we have a big need at RT when Moton is gone. OT going left and right and we just sit on our hands.

Be happy with either. Cam Williams, especially. This is the perfect spot to groom a replacement to Moton. He’s got the physical tools and his surgery may be why he’s fallen.

They do. The past 8 drafts including this one have been filled with every other team knowing our picks ahead of time and PR like this trying to explain reaches/bad picks. The Rams are the same team that offered us 2 1sts and a 2nd for Burns. I hope McMillan works out but a rumor about the Rams is just to make us feel better and has 0 impact on whether or not we made a good pick.

Huh? We didn’t take a WR at 8 to light a fire under anyone’s butt. McMillan was drafted to be WR1, it’s up to XL if he wants to be WR2 or WR3 with Coker or off the team like Mingo. Unless McMillan sucks, XL has already been put in the back seat. It just means that our 1st and 2nd round picks in Dan’s first draft were again, terrible picks.

Do you have faith in any WR we’ve drafted since Moore? I’m not a fan of our WR selections since Moore. It’s been lots of mediocre day 1/day 2 guys. McMillan just fits those guys. It’s just weird with weak armed QB that we wouldn’t go for small quick guys who can get lots of separation.

That’s done to get more hits.

We are famous for getting bad value recently. Why would you say we’ll take a discount? SMH. I believe we said it because we seem to leak a lot like XL saying we’re picking him.

True but his passer rating against was 91+. If he took away the other team’s best WR, we should have seen some sort of impact. I’m not saying he’s good, just haven’t seen elite.

That Brooks over Zack Frazier pick still stings. Grabbing a RB who isn’t going to play much in year 1 (before he got hurt again) makes no sense with the loaded 2025 RB draft. There’s so much talent that we’ll see some solid day 3 RBs. Not just surprises like 2024’s day 3 RBs but a few that would be day 2 picks every other year like Brooks.

See my post edit above, he certainly hasn’t had that lockdown/on an island type of effect. Josh Norman has that type of effect for a couple years with us and I’ll be honest that I haven’t felt like that for Horn yet. Looking at his 2024 stats (https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jaycee-horn/83375#seasonStatsWidget) doesn’t scream top QB. I think he’s good but I cringe a little when I hear he’s elite when healthy since his most healthy year was when we set a record for points against.

Has he truly been elite? I don’t recall our defense ever looking good over Horn’s career. I mean, is there even a noticeable scoring difference when he’s healthy? We have always, always overrated our guys and it’s pretty damn rare we actually have a player like Luke that it’s true. I loved Cam and he was a monster at times but we (most of us) revere him for his special plays more than results. Outside of the special 2015, he won 1 playoff game against a 3rd string QB. Don’t get me wrong, Cam was unbelievable at times but he’s a great example of us overrating players. Just for shits and giggles, I checked points against. We gave up 25 ppg from 2021 to 2024. In Jaycee’s 37 games, we’ve give up 26 ppg. I’d say Brown is far more valuable as our points against went from mediocre to record breakingly bad.

Sounds like a recent Panthers top 10 pick. Ugh, why’d we have to win another couple meaningless games? I’m tired of the we need a dawg culture/can’t tank mentality when we lost out on Sewell/Chase/getting 3 1sts from SF one year, Herbert the year before and had to give up the farm to get Young. We have cost us so much marquee talent since the 2020 draft chasing 8 wins and not getting it. I feel like this draft is exactly the same. We were in line to get a bounty or get one of the few marquee guys to end up with a guy who might not fit future schemes when Evero leaves. It’s the Panther way lately. We haven’t been lucking into Cam, Peppers, Luke, Gross top 10 picks.

Exactly, mocking a ranking of top 5 QBs in 2022 is stupid. No top 5 QB list in the 2022 draft had anything. The only person I remember saying they liked Purdy was Rhule but he played against Purdy several times. Rhule also was on the hot seat and not in control of the draft anymore. That said, Purdy would have been awful on the 2022-2024 Panthers.

He is but it’s stupid to point at his 2022 draft rankings to show he sucks. There were 4 guys at those positions (QB, RB, TE and WR) that made a single pro-bowl. None of those guys made more than one pro-bowl. McBride (his 2nd TE), Purdy, Jake Ferguson (had to be a replacement) and Kyren Williams. So, 3 of the 4 skilled position pro-bowlers were day 3 picks, i.e. on no analysts top 5 lists and the one 2nd rounder was his 2nd TE. His rankings look bad, but that’s because the QBs absolutely sucked that year and the skilled positions weren’t either. Some solid defenders but terrible offensive players.

Just admit that you don’t follow all the draft discussions on here. If draft results were so random, how come some teams tend to be perennial losers like us and some teams are perennial winners and it all starts with the draft? It’s almost comical these type of stupid responses. Oh, why aren’t you the GM? Gee I wonder since I work in a completely different field. How about you give us some examples of where the huddle consensus drafting was worse than our drafting from 2018 to 2025? I know I’ve given a ton of examples and you just shoot this generic poo of oh you couldn’t possibly done better as an armchair GM. Why don’t you dispute any of my examples? Let’s go to Brooks. I wanted Frazier at C because I still feel like that’s a hole. Other Huddlers mentioned DeJean at CB. Here’s why many of us didn’t want Brooks because 1) he might not play due to tearing his ACL late in the college season, 2) any scout/GM worth their salt would know that the 2025 RB draft class was loaded and 3) trading up multiple picks knowing 1 and 2 seems silly. Heck, after the draft, pretty clear that day 3 was where the RB value was. The huddle was right on Brooks and at most, we’ll get 2 years of Brooks while Hubbard is still under contract. If you know so much about the underlying machinations of the draft, you should be able to dispute the actual examples and how the huddle’s picks were just plain lucky and how Dan, Scott and Marty’s picks were just unlucky. Pulling the why aren’t you an NFL GM is a much repeated response when an actual reasoned response isn’t possible. Our drafting hasn’t been unlucky the past 7 drafts, it’s just been bad with lost of idiotic moves that were far worse than the huddle consensus.

See my post above. Any pissed off people were likely pissed because we again ignored OL in yet another draft and signed poo in FA. I might have also been pissed by every pick from Hubbard on that we still wouldn’t take a chance on Trey Smith.