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I think it’s more by design. Run first offenses likely block more at TE but right now the WRs we have are just better than our TEs. Kmet is not Olsen, so he’d more than likely just slide into the targets we already don’t have much of right now. Young threw for 3011 yards. While it was 21st, it was dead last among players that started all year. The guys behind him are rookies who didn’t start all year or guys who were injured or guys who took over for an injured starter. When your team throws it less than any other team, Kmet is a waste of time and money unless he’s an amazing blocker. Tmac and Coker should dominate targets and XL/TEs/RBs split up the rest. We shouldn’t spend a high pick on a TE or spend a lot of FA $$$s.

Yep. Pisses me off knowing in 3 years we’ve drafted Zavala and nothing else. Go back 6 years and Iky is the main draft capital with BC, Zavala and fat Deonte Brown, who also was drafted before Trey Smith. There were dozens of OL we discussed in here and wanted to draft and our GMs did nothing and now that one key injury means we are now in trouble at C and both T spots.

Tremble is in an offense that doesn’t run a ton of TE routes and frankly doesn’t throw the ball much. What I was trying to show is that Kmet only has better stats because he has 399 targets to 168 targets for Tremble. There’s a reason why Loveland was drafted and took over as the starter. Kmet is just a guy and isn’t much more productive per target than Tremble. He doesn’t improve us if he comes here and is barely noticeable only getting 40-50 targets. Do you think he’ll get more targets than our WRs in a run first offense? Can he even run block well?

No he’s not. Look at this actual production. Is he getting anywhere near 90 targets with us? Kmet’s career is 288-2939 and 21 TDs on 399 targets. Tremble (the definition of meh) has 112-1031 and 11 TDs on 168 targets. Prorated to 399 targets, Tremble has 266-2448 and 26 TDs. Kmet isn’t making us much better at all. We just don’t use TEs that much and we don’t throw the ball overall as much. Kmet isn’t Greg Olsen.

Why? Feels like we got a whole TE crew of almost Kmets. Loveland surpassed Kmet easy and relegated Kmet to Tremble like stats. Kmet’s decent years were because of volume. Kmet had over 90 targets twice in his career. Tremble’s career high in targets is 37. Tremble could produce Kmet numbers with the same volume so why would you ever go for Kmet? Loveland or Bowers type studs, go for it. Meh TEs, we’ve got plenty.

It’s a stupid weird stat. Here’s some of the stuff that messes up: 1. It ignores the 3 SBs won since 2000 by QBs drafted before 2000. It also ignores the 8 SBs won by 1st rounders drafted outside the top 5. That’s 42% of the SB winners right there. 2. As you mentioned, the SB winner clause removes 8 top 5 lost SBs and 5 1st rounders drafted outside losses, which is 50% of all SBs since 2000. 3. You also have the SB for Nick Foles that absolutely gets and asterisk because top a top 5 Eagles draft pick was an MVP candidate at 11-2 with 33TDs. If Wentz doesn’t have that amazing season, the Eagles aren’t the #1 seed. It’s like the Hostetler SB win that ignores what Simms did. Foles doesn’t win that SB if he played the entire year. 4. Tom Brady won 23% of the SBs by himself and lost 3 of the 26. He’s the exception that proves the rule. The funny part is that outside of Brady, the list of SB winners and losers is basically 1st round QBs, including some traded guys.

No kidding. 3 drafts and the only OL drafted was Zavala. We’ve drafted 8 WR/TE/RBs in the same 3 drafts and only 1 of the 8 has been an impact starter.

Yep, came a few years after we wasted a pick on a K, who’s been a stud in KC, to “not” replace a very expensive K, that we got rid of anyway, only to finally get another K as an UDFA 8 years later. We don’t learn that fast. Heck, Zavala is the only OL we’ve drafted in 3 years and that’s why the OL isn’t as solid anymore and one bad injury and we’re right back at the beginning.

People say that every time.

Sorry guys, we see these all the time and almost every time nothing happens in terms of actual jail time. Maybe a suspension, but he’ll play again.

He and his agent know we aren’t giving him big money now and there’s nothing to really negotiate as an ERFA and RFA the next two years. It’s on Coker to stay healthy and be someone we extend in 2027. The extension years will really start in 2028 but he’ll get bonus when he signs. He could also play the RFA year out fully and hit the market as an UFA in 2028. Panthers will still get cheap year in 2027 even with extension.

SMH. He’s basically under a 2 year fixed deal with us. The only way out of that is if another team gives us a 1st round pick in 2027. There is absolutely no rush needed. Wait till 2027, tag him as a RFA and then give him an extension for 2028+ if he’s still worth it.

We also had a GM who was the right hand of the former GM (Hurney 2.0 was the same) that was allergic to drafting IOL and OL in general. Brooks was a stupid pick for a couple of reasons. Better players at more needed positions and his injury putting him at barely contributing in 2024 when the 2025 RB class was stacked. Having a stud C for Bryce’s career was far more important than reaching for a RB who probably was a 3rd/4th rounder in 2025 due to the injury risk.

It’s not really hardball. Teams do the same with the fifth year. If Coker is invaluable and a solid WR, we’ll give him an extension with a signing bonus (for the immediate money) but the extension usually starts after/includes the RFA year.

There isn’t even negotiating. The tender amounts from ERFA and RFA are present, like the 5th year option or franchise tag. This discussion is kind of pointless right now.

There is no 3 for 30 this year. Sitting out could ruin his career. If he plays lights out this year, the agent might be able to get 4 for 60 next year.

He won’t get a new contract this year. It will likely be before his 4th year. Panthers can use the RFA for a cheap year in 2027 and then give him a 3-4 year extension for 2028-2030/2031. All assuming he has a solid year in 2026 and we want to extend him. There’s just 0 reason for Panthers to do anything different as worst case is you get him for 2 more cheap years or for 1 more cheap year and a 1st round pick.

It’s clear. If you sit out and don’t accrue you go into the next season at the same level almost like the sit out year never happened. There’s no loophole to UFA after two accrued seasons.

Which is why he’s a Panther for 2 more years at a fixed price with not much he can do.

Right because the CBA doesn’t have loopholes like that. It’s why people who sit out always come back to make sure the get the accrued year otherwise they are right back where they started. An ERFA can’t afford to miss most of the year as they are trying to look good for an extension.

If you sit out a year and don’t have 3 years accrued you are an ERFA again. It’s that simple. There’s no way there’s a loophole that you are an UFA after 2 years accrued and you skip RFA year when you have 3 accrued seasons.

WTF? You think that he hold out and gets unrestricted FA because he hasn’t accrued 3 seasons. What are you smoking? If he holds out in 2026, he’s likely an ERFA in 2027 and an RFA in 2028. Basically loses a whole year of pay. Please point to any example of a guy holding out as an ERFA that got to skip RFA.

He’d get a much bigger number if he puts together a bigger year in 2026. He’s locked in right now and the only way he gets a bag is by proving himself. He’s got 800 yards in 2 years. He’s under contract with us for 2 more. Do you think his agent is telling him now’s the time to get an extension averaging 30-400-3TDs a year? He was an UDFA, he’ll get what we offer and build up his stats so he can get a much bigger extension in a year or two instead of a crap extension locking him in cheap for 3-4 more years.

Lose him in 2027? That’s not happening. He’s locked into an ERFA for 2026 and he’s a RFA in 2027. For $7M or so we tender him as a 1st rounder. Is anyone giving up their 1st for Coker after 1 more year with Young? There’s no sitting out for two years. We can think about the extension after 2026 and we still take advantage of the RFA year and extend him beyond that.

Does Coker want his deal yet? We could use his ERFA and RFA years to our favor but all give him some extension years. Problem is that he isn’t getting top WR dollars because he isn’t there yet. If he believes he can be that guy, it might actually be better to play cheaper this year and get the big $$$s after he’s shown more the next two years.