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I don’t think Sam was that bad here in 2022. I would have kept him and kept looking for a good undervalued guy to groom. Anyhow about the owner. Was it the 49ers that the owners did a lot of the same type of crap we see from a Tepper, and then finally figured it out? if not them, I am thinking of someone but can’t pull it up from the old hard drive. If this whole Bryce fiasco doesn’t do it for Tepper I don’t know what will.

There is always at least one. I am probably crazy but I don’t think we are gonna lose this game. Nothing to do with analysis, I just kind of feel it. I could make an analysis case too probably, with Tyreek Hill being out and Tua not being much better than Bryce.

In my attempts to get people to look at this possibility, included pitchers because they are the prime example for that. They work at a few percentage points under their max effort because the accuracy is so much improved. So if you have a natural gun and can still get above MLB average velocity when you take some off, that’s the guy you want.

That’s me too. There are exceptions. Dan Campbell is tough his teams are tough. He was a big old TE and was tough. But the norm seems to be finesse teams come from offensive guys. That has always been my impression.

That could be. No one paid attention but I posted a video last year of two NFL QBs I forget which two, but they ran a test with velocity reader thing. What it was was first throw at a target with your normal comfortable motion. 20 yards maybe which gets you what, 12-15 yards downfield? Anyhow they were hitting the net or whatever they were throwing to. Next you throw your ‘fastball’ (high effort). They were missing high a lot. Predominantly high, but the accuracy suffered. So if you are a guy that has to try harder to get the same velocity, that you might need, that is something that you are likely going to see, less accuracy and missing high.

yeah 100%. We are losing kids from football too, to non American games like ahem,soccer. Nobody gave a damn about soccer when I was a kid. Long time ago. So it’s good they are doing that for that reason too

It was the genesis of all the deep ball arguments. Really just go deep and stretch them. Take the shot. They can’t just stand there and watch you run by them because, the blind squirrel saying is true. I will just say, the speed thing, Dalton did it with the same players as Bryce and it opened things up. Speed, no speed, I don’t see any of our guys as slow.

ha ha man you got me there lol. You know where I stand on that arm. Not sure I said it would be successful but it is all he has left to try. I expect to see it. He has to put that height on the throw or it does only go 7 yards… (okay that didn’t come out right) Wilson made me think I was watching a tip-off of a BB game. Guys standing around waiting for the ball to come down and see who gets it first.

Maybe had you put it that way instead of dismissing the guy as a ‘radio’ I wouldn’t have pushed back. I get that. At the same time, he knows the team, he is brilliant at film diagnosis, highly disciplined and would have the instant respect of any and all players in that locker room. Coaches too probably. It is hard to overstate how good he was and that includes the mental side. I wouldn’t bet against him. Give him a couple of seasons to get the job down. I shouldn’t say every, but I bet it is every… OC or DC that got a HC gig has said they weren’t ready for everything that goes with being a HC. Totally different than the job they had been doing, because now they have to deal with everything and they didn’t even know what that was when they started. edit: I guess a point I am trying to make with him is, you can work your way up through jobs but when you get promoted the job is not just a higher level of the job you were doing, it is a different job requiring new skills. The failed HC ranks are full of great coordinators for that very reason. I resist the dogma of you can’t be good at that unless you were good at LB coach or DC. To me, Wilks wasn’t a real good DC but he somehow understood that HC job intuitively.

Yet it gets done. Well, two great phases is not realistic. Good and good would suit me. Very good and a good… It comes down to heart and stuff like that when the big opportunities come up. Who wants it, who can play the cleanest game, etc. Saying this without relating it to our current situation, just in a bubble: Coaching and GM’ing are key to it. I think system continuity helps a TON too. Pittsburgh has always had that part of it, the continuity. They are an easy example and are a bit down now but even so let’s see how they end up… it won’t be Tepper Panthers bad, you can put money on that. Commanders seem to be doing well with a defensive HC and a young good QB.

I missed where I said that we had to have all pros. Not sure we are on the same page. I’ll take the L on that.

Yeah he has to man up. They aren’t little squirrels he has going against. This thing about speed and deep routes though, with our QB; I don’t think it is necessary because a burner will have to slow up. Not trying to start anything that’s just the way I see it. fact of life I don’t think we have to have Ted Ginn speed to do that. I think it is much closer to a Russell Wilson scenario.

He’s just a radio guy lol.

Is the rule that to be a difference maker you have to worth two first round picks? In that case we have none other than Bryce Young of course, who we gave that up for, but he makes a difference the wrong direction. Brown makes a big difference up front Horn is an upgrade to most defenses and a fine player. And I think Tetaro is one, in the making. He could be a star if we get someone who can get him the ball.

I think he’s going full early Russell Wilson ‘rollout and throw a high flying duck as far as he can’ this week, hoping we can get to it first.

Did the zest (lol, Jets) fire him or something?

Legette can do it too I think and with him and Tet, they have to pay attention. Horn, we really ha en’t seen and while maybe he does run some fly stuff and get a shot, I have this picture in my head of him evading a tackle on a short gain and taking off with it. Also on this XL thing, there is a chance that he comes back wanting to prove something (and I know what people are gonna say he will prove, lol, but I am hoping it is in a good way).

I get it. But where is it written that a stout defensive team can’t have a great offense? And where is it written that a stout running game is worthless? It is still football. And the teams, you see the defenses got lighter to get faster, and then you see a pound it out attack can defeat that. And when you get down to the end of the year the best teams are led standing and generally the defense has a say in the outcome. The running game has a say. If you don’t have that your high flying offense might get grounded. That has it changed that much. I don’t know how to formulate thoughts into the propers all the time but I’ll punt that above and say it this way: In a way, our experience reflects the saying “perfect is the enemy of good”. We went for perfect and became horrible when good was in our grasp. What would you rather watch?

What people can’t seem to learn is, the pendulum always swings back the other way. What is old, becomes new and vice versa. I mean, wait long enough, bell bottom jeans come back. I like to zig when everyone else is zagging. That is how trends get started. Don‘t follow, do what you know you can do and do it better than everyone else. You will be fine.

They said he was going to be active. The running back thing, we are going to miss Chuba pass blocking I think but maybe Etienne can show some moves. I believe he has some. Also I said this elsewhere but the downfield shots vs the 3rd and long handoffs rather than trusting the QB that was complained about here, was addressed in an Athletic article by Person. With Legette back I am expecting some Russel Wilson type downfield prayers to be tried this week.

I think we were both Wilks advocates, and yeah. Except for the couple good games Andy played and the one standout Bryce game last year, it is the best the team has looked in years. I mean we’re we gonna be champs? No. Were the top teams a lot better than we were? Yep. It was something to build on and we threw all of the things we had in front of us, cap space, draft picks, etc, and Sam is better than a Bryce will ever be, we threw it all away to chase a trend. Not to Set a trend but just to be in with the cool kids. And proved we had no idea what we were doing.

Agreed and appreciate the effort that went into the original post.

Someone delete this monstrosity for me please, It won’t allow me to do it. Sorry.

I was trying to quote this from MHS and messed it all up this editor sucks “My very UNPOPULAR opinion: First, I would want to know the locker room. Have they turned on Canales? If not, I would stay with him. Here is why: Switching coaches every year or two is not the answer to long term success. We are chasing hope instead of building a program around a young coach. There were not many applicants for this job and if you think they are suddenly dying to be here now, that MIGHT justify a coaching change Canales has made some tough decisions (like benching Bryce), but his weaknesses (the team's weaknesses) have been in the areas in which we have neglected or sucked for years. Who did we get for CMC? Who made the trade with the Bears when we had no idea at the time who we wanted? Who drafted Mingo, Marshall, XL, etc.? Who signed a frequently-injured CB to the biggest contract in NFL history at the time for a CB? I look at the personnel decisions and the play calling. Our edge players are injured and not that good when healthy. He played Johnson because he had nothing left. Johnson was terrible Sunday. He has nothing at LB and two starting OL are now out. XL is pouting because he does not seem to have paid the price to be paid the price of a first round pick. AT was sent packing. Bryce's resurgence last year may have been Canales and not Bryce. Evero still does not have the tools he needs to succeed--on the field or perhaps between his ears. If Canales fires Evero, he is probably doing the right thing. Remember, we had a lot of money in dead cap when Canales took over. Fitterer was the worst GM since Matt Millen in the NFL, and we have sucked recently in the first round of the draft (Bryce, XL) until this season. When the GM is trying to give the coach what he needs to be successful and you keep changing coaches, it is difficult. I think this--stay with Canales, but bring in a veteran DC. Some argue that Canales needs to move on from Bryce, but this team is not set up to give him options. Andy aint the answer. We never seem to take the PS QB seriously--all eggs are in one basket. Canales needs options. This team needs to address the QB situation. Bryce's best games are not Lombardi worthy, so move on. He is not the Alpha a young coach needs on the field. Give him options at QB, some LBs and a good coordinator on defense, and I think we could use another stud WR. It is time to start drafting developmental OL and start grooming them to replace our aging OL. This draft is solid at QB as it stands now. We need to focus on drafting the right guy and signing a veteran backup who is not the starting QB's BFF. Compete. Heck, i have no problem doing what Cleveland did--draft a QB in round 1 and then another QB if one falls into day 3. I think we need stability and I am not confident any respectable coach comes to Carolina. Canales is frustrated, but the front office has failed him, as have injuries, and a really bad draft a few years ago that brought them Bryce. He was hired to fix Bryce--so I say neuter him so he does not sire any more 5'8" QBs. Canales is better that Rivera was--Canales just has so much less talent. Rivera was coach of the year a few times because he had Cam Newton, but could never put two winning seasons together. That is a crime.“ Good thoughts there man. I I agree with about all of that. You speak to the importance of having continuity. I am big on it as something that we have lacked that is stunting our growth. Constantly resetting the clock and taking the steps back that come with it. And here we are yet again - 21 games after saying we are really gonna commit to it this time, only to be bitten by the instant gratification bug because it isn’t paying off. in other news I probably don’t know enough about some of these candidates listed above but I don’t see much that excites me. Especially when I add Tepper to the picture. Plus there is a lot of season left that needs to play out still.

I am bc always puzzled how these faults manage to transcend multiple different eras with completely different people across the board, making judgements on players.