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Foxy looking kind of anorexic.

It would be a shame if Canales’ HC opportunity was tied solely to Bryce’s success or failure. It’s like summiting Everest with an asthma inhaler in place of oxygen. Or something. At the same time, I was thinking the other day about all the people talking about how Seattle got the great young coach, and the same for Jacksonville, or Ben Johnson, and thinking well you folks are not considering why we ended up with a Dave Canales in the first place. It was not all because they didn’t want to work for Tepper.

Your last sentence…. if you watched that McAfee interview with Tepper - that seat is safe. Safer than with the fans.

Doesn’t have to be a player they draft in 2027. Could be someone that gets put on the roster this year. Whether later round or a reclamation project, current backup. A 2027 FA even. I just mean, it wouldn’t have to be a three year proposition.

I am not thinking he has that in the best order. O’Connell should be in front of Canales, I think for sure. Maybe Lafleur, Packers underperformed a bit. Maybe Quinn. Redskins had a rough year. Schottenheimer? Don’t see it absent some sort of collapse. Not sure there is a need to put ten names down, really. Re Canales, if it goes bad early, it is likely Bryce doing his annual ritual. Which is one of the big subplots we will be looking at next year.

Yeah bad angle for her. I just watched something on this and I didn’t know so maybe someone else didn’t know either… NFL policy these days on this is they don’t hand out any discipline until the legal process is complete. The option mentioned was ‘paid leave’ in the interim. Falcons are likely going to have to pay him but not have him, and he will probably be able to afford his attorneys.

I held a similar opinion, ie he was gonna play how he wanted to play. So that’s the offense you end up with. Even if you would rather take a more traditional approach it would hard because, he was going to play how he wanted to play. I thought he saw himself as the number one weapon. Did I want a more diverse attack with more pocket passes and less running and option type plays? Yep. Chudzinski’s 2nd year here I thought he was getting too cute and chasing a HC job, which he got, but I would like to have seen him committed to running an offense he built around Cam. I think we missed out on that type of opportunity, getting Shula. But one thing about him, Ron didn’t have to worry about losing his OC every couple of years to a HC job. Lol.

That is interesting thanks.

I am kind of there. Without knowing what FA or the draft look like, just looking at what is there now? Hard to see where the two more wins are coming from. The Icky injury is a major setback. We are worse than the team that went 8-9 right now. Ask me in May, maybe I give a more optimistic take.

I would put Stafford in there for sure. If I eyeballed the best. It isn’t really something I follow league wide. It got my attention here because we were so downfield averse. And just off of my impressions from watching, that has been the case starting in 2023. It stood out like a sore thumb to me. As far as why Bryce rates so high, off so relatively few attempts? The simple intuitive answer would be something like, he throws them when they are wide ass open, coverage is blown, doesn’t take risks, that sort of thing. I have seen some nice throws but is very little wow in it outside of a handful. It is kind of a mystery.

That is counter to my logic processor. We talking footwork, leg drive, I get it. If he is just talking about arm motion, I don’t get it. I want to know more because we have a guy that needs to know about this more velocity patch. Counter intuitive to what I always thought. I can see making a more efficient motion to save wear and tear, get a quicker release, that kind of stuff. I wasn’t aware there was a way to get more velocity outside of having your base straight and in synch. I am not saying it’s wrong just that I am surprised. I don’t know enough to be a lot skeptical, but I’m maybe a little skeptical.

FWIW The Athletic just did power rankings. Seattle/Rams 1/2 Panthers 13th Bucs 18th Atlanta 20th Saints 24th

Lol Atlanta looks to have lost their young edge rusher, has no 1st round pick, a complete mess at QB, a new coaching staff… And we swept them this year. Says what they think of us.

I just read what I posted. I should have added that the fact that we didn’t have a WTF loss points to us learning how to win. It is evidence of that. Those really ugly wins, like vs NYJ and the Packers, they are losses with losers. I mean with a team hasn’t learned how to win. That is a thing we went through in 2002, and early 2003 to begin with. Instead of losing the tossup situations, we found a way to hold on and come out with a W. Most of the time. I don’t know if we can sustain it I guess we’ll see.

Running backs totally. But, if you don’t make a habit of giving RBs a second contract, does it matter if you pick one that is 24? What other positions might be treated similarly? Where you don’t regulary hand out second contracts? Anyone that maybe you don’t want to overpay on a second contract. I might say ROT. Guards. Might say CB in a scheme like Evero’s. Course, a lot of them will fall into the DJ Johnson/XL category of older rookies. You will lose players still good but then you probably get a comp pick and few cap issues. You have money for premium players’ second contracts, keep the team young. It is kind of interesting looking at it that way.

Well that’s the thing. Inconsistent. He will be horrible and then an hour later play much better. In his third season, he finally played well for 4 qtrs a couple of times. You could look at a drive from those games and be a believer. But keep watching…. you are like, that was a mirage.

That line about ‘above expectation’… the whole thing is so subjective. And unquantifiable due to the nature of it. Endless variables when the grader needs to make almost a split second determination of what the expectation should even be. They try, I know. I can even give them the benefit of assuming good faith. But that is so subjective and the name they gave it is pure hype. What about it is big time? Granted some throws are great but a plus one throw n September doesn’t seem to automatically deserve the label big time. Would look to rename it with less hyperbolic label. That is my biggest objection really. Big time were the throws on 4th down in the last qtr vs the Rams. Those, all day long. Excellent and for sure under big time pressure. Some other throws too. But that kind of throw seems to be a smaller fraction of what they use to calculate their grade.

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considering [Dave] Canales enters Year 3 working for an impulsive owner. There’s not much room to slide backwards from an 8-9 season and 13-21 overall record. It doesn’t help that his primary job has been the development of quarterback Bryce Young, and the progress there has been inconsistent. Canales was supposed to turn the former top pick into a franchise quarterback. If that doesn’t happen by next January, the Panthers could be looking for both a new coach and quarterback." —————- The format of that doesn’t display on my iPad I had to paste it as plain text to see it so I am leaving it here to refer to… I am gonna disagree with a lot of that. First reference is Tepper. That interview posted here a few days back gave me the impression that he is really happy with his FO. And Canales. Seat isn’t even warm as of right now. IMO. The assertion that Canales is supposed to turn Young into a franchise QB is something I have never bought. First, how could anyone look at 2023Bryce and see a can’t miss Franchise player? He was for sure a could miss. I am not sure it was fix Bryce or you are both gone. Maybe that will happen The longer it drags on, I think maybe the more likely a total house cleaning could be an outcome. I mean it is only year 3 of Canales coming up. But as a couple of people like to point out, he has shown other concerning flaws that might damage his stock. As far as the hot seat, mid season with 2-3 wins I would imagine yeah it would be pretty warm. I think a small regression to say 7 or maybe even 6 wins would be tolerated but the seat is warm for 2027. Depends on the circumstances.

It would be a little easier to not have this come up constantly for years if he would have performed at a higher level this year and conclusively proven what he is or isn’t. Despite (or because of) some nice bright spots, I can’t see where has done that. So here we are. Again. Still. I don’t think anyone likes being here.

A guy with limited assets as you propose may be (or is) the case, needs to surround himself with the best people he can find. Forget the ego and bring in some talent. Anyone always should do that anyway, it is more important for some. * Just speculating but say he goes two more years and is still getting owned, will he see it or be in denial? If he knows he is limited he can adapt. If he doesn’t, well not so good. If he is short in the X/O department he can keep his culture with good help. . * I am going to say, with Bevell coming in, Canales is trying to do that.

You think someone being unable to make an argument that can stand with out deprecating those making the counter argument, makes a person a victim? Interesting.

I am not stanning him for sure I have issues with him as well. But when you say that, you are still seeing that despite his obvious shortcomings, he won 8 games with Bryce Young playing QB, in his second year as coach. After taking over a 2-15 team. So there is something in there. Maybe he is a slow learner. I have been one before with certain things, but when it clicked, I had it. Just took a while. There are people like that. This will be an interesting year whatever the record ends up being. Lots of plots and sub plots.

Lol that is exactly what I expected. Or some Waterboy stuff. I started to ask if your name was Rico. not sure we can go 10mil. How about a draft beer and some wings after the game? For free,

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