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That could never work. I am surprised Frank ever agreed to anything close to that. I guess the life changing money gets even people with integrity to compromise against their better judgement.

A full 6 years of our lives. I could barely do three.

A person like that, if the husband were out of the picture, the claws would come out for whatever is still around.

Along those lines, it seems like a lot of decisions were taken out of Frank’s hands. I don’t think he had complete freedom to staff his assistants. I think Tepper and/or Fitterer dictated some of the hires. That’s how you get coaches giving different advice to a player. It is how you start without everyone pulling the same way and being on the same page. They have different allegiances. Recipe for trouble. Who thinks Frank picked Thomas Brown to be his OC? Just for instance. Evero, forgetting the OL coach’s name but he was held over as well, pretty sure. Just a couple of examples.

I tend to agree that Pickett could be a drop in and you don’t lose anything, worst case. Best case he outplays him. I think he can give Bryce a run for his money. Which says more about what I think about Bryce probably than Pickett. Bryce has one advantage which is two years of starts n this same offense.

The baby ones with his mug shopped in got me laughing.

Yeah lol well the interest isn’t really about seeking stimulation. I wanted to see how actually bad it was. And how much of it was women setting him up to be their cash cow. That is the stuff that leveraged the Panthers into David Tepper’s hands. It is important in that sense. The worst that I have heard is that he got them in the car and clumsily reached across to help them with their seat belt and made contact. With his arm. That was probably his big slick move. And I can almost guarantee he wasn’t rejected every time. It is easy to picture that action bringing his head close enough to the woman’s head to where he could go in for the kiss if he thought he got the green light. I really don’t care if JR was a horn dog. We heard all our lives up until the last few years that one of the perks of being really old is that you can flirt with the young women and it is not just tolerated but expected. So he was keeping a tradition alive at some point

Well I rubbed some dirt on it and am still here just not optimistic about the future of the QB position. Even what I had accepted as a ceiling raised to an acceptable level turned out to be a bit of a mirage, upon rewatch of the WC game. Good plays were there yes, but some pretty bad ones too that the good ones late in the game kind of obscured. I have to downgrade that a little. Especially after rewatching the last 4 plays. I remember the arguments about he did his job the WRs didn’t but that was really just that last muff by Coker I think it was on our final offensive play. To the future: I know what my level is for paying him and recommitting, but I don’t have any confidence that the team shares my high bar. But thanks for the pep talk

Sorry to you purists, can’t resist. And if you don’t laugh I wonder about you.

Yeah and they count YAC that a good WR would/should have gotten to make that stretch to 200-250 yards. I have actually seen that here.

Forgive me for being extremely pessimistic on that count. I think three years, and just the initial WTF? of it all going down in the first place has me like a battered spouse or an abused animal, flinching at any sudden movement. Afraid of the shadow of an extension.

Hey there is nothing revisionist about stating a record. What’s revisionist? I have to review but I don’t remember elaborating about how those 12 games were won or lost. I do know exactly how the team played, schemed and won (and lost) that Wilks stretch of games. I believe, without looking, he had to use PJ early because Sam wasn’t ready. An ankle I think. And Wilks slow played that and slow played Darnold n his return to protect him or his psyche or both in that return. He wanted to build Sam’s confidence. Did it by using a heavy dose of Foreman and Chuba. Heavy run. But we had deep balls and passing too. Actual old school deep balls. Things of beauty too rarely seen here since. Just thinking, how is relying on the run game for Sam any different that running Rico for plus or minus 300 yards a game to win. We hid the hell out of Bryce in some games, are you going to say that revisionist?

I am not gonna make a claim I can’t back up and say you are wrong but I think there is obvious enthusiasm and belief from Tepper. And that, like poo and water, flows downhill. I would bet, just guessing, that Tepper has asked what an extension would cost already. Like, what is it gonna cost me and can we work our cap, etc etc.

It is true. He has 100% gotten run down by big fast guys before. These big guys are fast now, a lot of them. It is also true what you say, he has evaded people as well. He does seem to be improving his awareness but I don’t think he has been caught by the last 280 pound man chasing him. There will be more. The WC game, just rewatched, and on his TD scramble somehow the linebacker had mental paralysis just long enough to allow Bryce to evade him. It was a poor reaction though. Cement shoes for a second. All it took, he couldn’t recover. Good play by Bryce.

Another one: The actual truth, real quotes and context of JR’s racial slur incident. And the NDA sexual harassment type stuff, spilled and spelled out. And yeah I agree Navy we will likely never get any of it.

Some actual detail on that would be great. The stuff you say, was out there but never real detailed or specific.

Some insight about Peppers and JR how that all went down and the tag being used on him which I always felt was directly responsible for the big Jake extension. We were in no position to pay the 19 or 20 million tag charge at the time. It was also the domino that fell into getting Everette Brown and trading that future 1st. I thought. Would like to know. A lot of stuff around Bryce. A lot. Why? Why Not CJ, he looked so much better. I believe that ruined the Reich hire. More… love to get the actual real deal on who the moles/snitches were that were meddling over those 4 or 5 months. More… what the exact terms of Morgan’s hire, what was he told what did he agree to? Same for Canales. That’ll do for now.

I guess it Is tough, defending him really doesn’t come with a lot of great material to credibly argue against his negatives. You only have stuff like he was great at Bama. Yes he can make all the throws. No that tippy toe passing mess doesn’t hurt him, it works for him. He made the playoffs and almost beat the Rams (your best one) He needs a TE in the first round, and another 1st round WR. And a coach that can actually call good plays and take advantage of his talent. See, that stuff is getting weaker line by line. I am running low already, tough assignment.

Oh lord. I completely am not a guy who considered that movie a good idea.

I don’t want to spend a spend a ton of time here but can’t let this pas without saying something. That is revisionist. We finished 6-6 under Wilks before Bryce. we added Bryce to the mix and ended up with the number one pick. Sank to the bottom. And fast. And stayed there. It took 3 years and untold picks and money to climb back to that 6-6 record that Wilks achieved with that ‘dumpster fire’ He is the main one who made us a dumpster fire in 2023. And this was even before Morgan turned his back on the defense. Only real difference was DJ Moore wasn’t here and that was not nothing but people were talking playoffs in 2023 until they had a few week of Bryce. Tepoer couldn’t get a coach that he wanted and a lot of that was who the hell wants to tie themselves to Bryce ? And an owner who wouldn’t dump him Canales did pretty well considering but it was all hands on deck to save Young in that offseason

Reasonable. I mean I didn’t see a clear path to relief this season myself. As I have typed already, I think the QB FA class is more interesting next season and that draft is supposed to be stacked as well. There just weren’t many options this year. When you have Tepper to contend with you have to tread lightly around this unless you are 100% certain and willIng to stake your job on it. There were a couple of outings that helped Bryce a lot in terms of thinking maybe he can do this, and if you are a supporter you are giving them a lot of weight. You are likely to think just get him some more help and he can do that every week. Which I think Tepper falls into that category. And the playoffs, division champs, regardless of the way I see that, the supporters will also give that a lot of weight. And the big one, the atmosphere In BOA for that WC game, Tepper had to be soiling himself over that. If you pulled Bryce out right now you had better be right and your new guy had better make the playoffs and look good doing it or you will be gone and your chance to build your old team back into respectability will be gone too. So here we have Pickett on a one year deal, and Grier and King. I understand it.

He is about my size. Before I got old and fat. I don’t know about a 5’7” person but I am not rooting for him just because of that. If he hadn’t set us back so far and led us to the number one pick that we no longer had, and all that stuff I would find it easier to be in his corner. Like day two pick, I’d root for him. But he’s probably already be gone or the backup to the next guy we drafted/signed. I’ll hand it to him for having the nerve to get out there but It hampers his game. He can’t see, trying to compensate affects his mechanics and how he plays. I am so over these rollouts to the right all the time.

Yeah he has to do the coach speak supportive positive praise routine. Got a whole team to keep on board and pulling in the same direction. I will believe the poo or get off the pot thing when one of things actually happens.

No big thing. Long time ago.

You can graduate from JAG to starter. What happened to him, he hasn’t stuck anywhere. We could have used him back here.