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Yeah okay. We as an organization have been more patient with him than many. And there has been a small parade of guys drafted since he was, also to bad teams, that have passed him. Some have lapped him. As a fan I am out of patience but he gets this year it is out of my hands always has been. I just hope the bar is higher than it has been for him. FWIW, XL dropped two passes last year. He did do some other bad stuff, just saying.

I mean, can you imagine if we had kept Darnold, who would have been cheap, and added to the roster the way we have done since Bryce? Fitterer would still be here. Maybe Reich. It wouldn’t be what we have now bringing in the talent. But just put Darnold and DJ and all those draft picks with Canales and Morgan and daydream about it. All those picks. We still could spend big in FA. Sheeit.

I really liked some of his answers. I hope he has a great year. Maybe we can keep paying him with a rookie contract at LT.

I like the guy we just signed. Ga Tech. Just keep taking shots. I think there may be some interesting guys under contract this year that may be out there next year. I guess I just want us to do like I wish we had done instead of drafting Bryce. Well, him particularly but the trade was ill advised to start with. Horrible. Then they made it even worse. Let’s don’t get so desperate we do that again.

Lot of time for things to reveal themselves. I basically agree. Sellers has all the tools. They brought in new OC and it is all about getting him back on track. There will be others to emerge. I only saw a little Mannng but I wasn’t getting excited at all. Seems like a lot less than we were led to believe he was going to be.

Well we just are not in a situation to dump him currently. We are in the small minority of non fans. The casuals are near 100% in on him. Playoffs! and there are way more casual fans than critical fans.

People were saying he wanted an offer he couldn’t refuse type of price.

Or he takes another baby step and they buy in. Sorry lol but that is the pattern. not gonna even think about if he starts out playing like he has his first three years. I can’t hope for it but I would like him to give them a definitive answer. That might be one.

Yeah I am kind of looking forward to preseason now because the new QBs and most of the guys we drafted will be 2nd string and will play a lot. Usually I tolerate watching the depth guys because of the QBs and really, the lack of decent depth. I think we will have some things to watch this year.

25% are cliche answers but the other 75% kills. Quick estimate.

If he is what they think he is we are in great shape.

He was big loss.

We should be able to see plenty in preseason this time. I might even watch. This isn’t like watching Jake Plummer. At last I hope and think it’s not.

Plus, where is his 13-3 near MVP type season that got Darnold the Seattle deal?

The forum format has not been surpassed for organized and compartmentalization (of) discussions that could run on in a thread for years.

I am talking about this year and not picking up the option. We pretty much lost that option because of what I referred to in that post. edit: where we sit now, I couldn’t imagine anything over a Darnold deal like the Seahawks gave out. 33 mil a year on a short term extension. If he doesn’t really seriously up his game and our W-L record. He ain’t carrying this team and shouldn’t be paid like he is that guy.

I am just remember a little by reading through this and looking back. I think pantherfanz had a bus. Like a small bus all decked out for tailgates. Short bus. Someone else may come along and straighten me out or confirm. edit: the death timeline matches up, it wasn’t a real long time after the first Jake season that he passed. Couple of years sounds right.

Honestly I am not sure Pickett couldn’t step in for him. But I don’t see a clear easy upgrade and we are not KC with Alex Smith we are a team that hadn’t done poo for almost ten years and just made the playoffs. And looked good in the game. That stadium atmosphere on that day…. you know Tepper ate that poo up. Not one drink has been thrown in a while. You had better make sure if you replaced him after that that you had a sure fire upgrade.

Oh, and Kraft.. another example of leadership affecting the team top to bottom. Multiple examples over the years in that organization. He is just not a man of integrity. Don’t expect hm to hold Vrabel accountable, the coach is giving him results and that is what he values over all else.

Look at the grades for 2023 lol. I think as a fan you make your own grade and the week after a draft, all you can do is go by if you think they did logical stuff and made good decisions. You have to know that even the best make many wrong choices on college players and how they will project. And accept it.

Here is where I think you are off. WTF does what he did in college or where he was drafted have anything to do with how he plays 4 years into the league? Now, where he was drafted Does keep him on the team but it should have nothing to do with his next contract. Ancient history. And he was a very up and down 8-9 including playoffs. Mostly down to be honest, by top half of the league standards. You don’t give that top of the market. It would be much different if the team put nothing around him, and he carried them to 8-9 but that is so not the case. He is 1 of 11 at best.

I mean, the paternity lie, it is a major fraud to start with. The financial implications alone will elevate it to grand larceny level, felony fraud level. Not to mention the cruelty of the deception. I can’t find the right adjective to accurately describe the impact that has on two victims (‘father’ and child).

1st of all, it isn’t two more years, contractually. His year was guaranteed and locked up. They bought one year. However we got there (lol) we made the playoffs for the first time under Tepper. The QB held up and gave us a decent chance to win. Sorry those are facts. In reality, you kind of have to give them keeping him around this year and with the way these agents frame things, it is a bad idea to leave it like he is on a one year prove it deal by declining the 5th year. If he in fact does step up, he can then leave for the open market and likely would because of the ‘disrespect’. That or reel us in the contract. Neither is good. And when you look at the FA qb market for 2026, and the trade market in regards to a few backups with potential… it isn’t they year to jump. They really are it worried about 26.5 million which they can split up over two seasons if they want out. It is not a crippling deficit. It is the cost of doing business. So I understand why this was done.

No kidding. It is wise and appropriate to pay the 20th best qb top of the market? Sorry but the hell it is.

The game with the photo was September 14 2003 in TB. Panthers 12 TB 9. I looked for the photo for a little bit couldn’t find it. But I saw it a few years ago because I revisited that game. So it probably still exists.