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Ideally every player would win the job in a fair competition. Beat out the guy in front of you. If you can. If XL is in front of a draft pick, the draft pick needs to beat him out. Whoever is in front of him. Should be the way of the world. Aside from that if they do want to trade XL they should give him a chance to rehabilitate his rep and up his value. Showcase. But then if he proves he is worth something you want to trade him away? I do no t think we would save all his guaranteed money, for one. Not sure though. And finally, today I posted about Bryce throwing it away on 4th down. It got me thinking of the mental stuff with XL. What Bryce did was just about as bad as XL’s mental lapses in terms of being ignorant. I bet there are some Bryce supporting XL haters here, that one is for you.

And don’t worry about Bryce he will be great… Peyton Manning had a horrible rookie year too

Nothing wrong with it at all until you start telling others they are bad fans or not fans. But you are the good fan because you never say negative stuff about the team. I did many years of that type of uninformed fanning because there really was no info and coverage like there is with the internet. I mean, I used to go to the store and get Street and Smith’s annual football issue. That was about the extent of what you could get if you didn’t live in a big city with sportswriters covering and reporting. There was no video to look at or replay the games and if you didn’t live in the market you could only rarely see your football team play. TI have fanned since being a kid in the early 1960s, and as late as 1995 - ‘97 I lived in Atlanta and good luck getting more than 3 or 4 games a year on TV. No radio either. No print coverage outside of an AP recap and box unless they played Atlanta. People today that have always had the network connection don’t know. I wasn’t very educated about the Panthers until I finally got internet.

Train them that hearing that keep pounding drum signals feeding time. And throw some meat it in the cage after every score.

Phillips is definitely a risk. But if he can stay healthy….

Me too. I don’t like to advertise it much but I played it for a living for a lot of years. Other music too, to make a living. If you could call it a living. We should talk sometime. Bet we know some of the same people if you played in NC. I am SC but used to play all over up there. Years ago.

First reaction is yeah Bryce processed the hell out of those 4th down throwaways. You have to go with big boy talent and try and work through the rest. Imagine if we had given Sam 4 years, 3 in the same system, with the same investment in his weapons and protection.

1000% with you there. Total buy in to that whole narrative by the majority.

I never thought a second look was even necessary. I was begging the football gods not to have us trade up to the 1st pick. And damn once we did it was a thoroughbred vs a little pony. If you have a perceived generational player in the pool and you have the 1st pick, you just don’t trade it. In the first place. But all this Bryce drama - which (understandably) takes over almost any thread, just like this one - would never have happened if the team was not sold to Tepper.

Didn’t even watch that game and all I needed was to look at CJ’s size, look at him throw with his footwork all refined.. toes pointed where he was throwing, great form, watch the flight of the ball.. And then do the same test with Bryce. Lol who in their right mind chooses Bryce?

You don’t even need 1b because Tepper is the only one foolish enough to wheel that deal. Player wise? Jake’s elbow. JR and Pep getting sideways, no Carruth, Cam’s shoulder, Luke’s concussions, it would be a long list of stuff. You can take it down to certain plays in games. Fox chasing 2 point conversions in the SB would be on my list. RMJr slipping at the end of that same game was not helpful. Every future first round pick we ever traded.

I have thought about that a lot over the years because I am a big JR fan. There was no clear succession and he was nearing the end health and age wise. Taking his team probably accelerated his decline. RIP JR. PS I guess I would have rather had him pick the buyer though, over globalist Goodell.

I think mine was easy: go back and have the guy from Charleston buy the team instead of Tepper. Navarro? Took about ten seconds of pondering to get to that answer. Some guys we passed up in the draft, some stuff with the Super Bowls, some injuries, probably many other things were pivotal but that to me is where things went to hell in a hand basket.

Yeah or some other ridiculous poo like that slapping contest they put on. I don’t know. I have been watching the NFL since the early 1960s and it won’t be easy but a man can only take so much foolishness.

I worked in music a little bit and a guy that would know said the same thing about Garth Brooks. That he treated his band and employees very well. That said, he was bad for country music IMO and Bryce is bad for the Panthers. I am sure he is a good guy (clearly) but we need a good guy with actual upper NFL level QBing skills.

Maybe some real ones like at the Roman Colosseum that pop up from under our end zone. On chains. Cross the goal line, I dare you.

Lol they would run him off now with the QB room stuff.

Are you a blues man?

I guess it was baked into the business of keeping him for the fourth year. These agents seem to think you have to be under contract for at least two years or you don’t have one. I think that’ bullshit but they don’t ask me. And the keeping him for the fourth year, given the lay of the land around the league and in the draft this year, QB wise, was not favorable to the idea replacing him. But if he doesn’t turn in a 25 million dollar worthy performance this year they need to cut bait. Me? I would have cut bait in 2024.

Yeah I remember his first year. All the excuses. All ‘his’ people saying well Peyton Manning and whoever else had horrible rookie years. As if he was Peyton Manning. Lol. So weak. No comparison ever to any bust ever, who I am pretty sure also had horrible rookie years. Who else got 4 years after the kind of performance he has turned in? Anybody? Even three.. Forget the rooms, where is an honest QB power ranking list? Where does he sit there? How many rookies have come to bad teams and passed him on that list since he has been in the league? I swear if he doesn’t light it up this year and they don’t make a change I will be gone. Rather watch competitive knitting or something.

I liked him too and refused to judge him for 2024 after the way they devalued his part of the roster. But some of these 3rd down defenses and ridiculous cushions are just bad. Raise the white flag bad. If we keep seeng that he needs to go.

Things are kind of weird with beat writers these days. Dave O’Brien who was the Braves guy at The Athletic retired months ago, like Jan or Feb, and they finally replaced him. The first content dropped yesterday. Months without any kind of focused coverage. Could be something similar in play here. They have two months before camps start where really there isn’t a ton to cover. Newton doesn’t bother me much though, I generally ignore ESPN. The stuff they were saying in reaction to Bryce’s benching in early 2024 was pretty sad. Last nerve material from people like Rex Ryan and several other highly placed voices over there back then.

I really don’t understand the urgency at TE. Or to cut bait with XL. Are people thinking that because Cam did so well with Olsen that Bryce would do the same? I don’t, at all (and Kmet is no Olsen). We are not Air Coryell or Air Chud, hell we aren’t even Air Shula. We are a lot closer to Air Check it Down. Re XL, you need depth at WR. We should at least see what camp looks like before cutting bait on him. Make sure everyone is healthy and see what he looks like. What his attitude is, if he is working hard, all that stuff.

It seemed obvious from the start. Reich was fired because he pushed back on the QB. Wanted Bryce to sit behind Andy. Pretty sure. Where I differ from a lot of people is that I never felt like Canales’ situation was dependent on successfully developing Bryce. I thought that was unreasonable and if he failed with Bryce it should be on Bryce and not on Canales, and he should get a chance with another QB. But that is not as good a bet as thinking the both of them were hired with the condition that Bryce had to be given every opportunity. That seems a given. I tell you, if Canales can make Bryce into even an average starter he is a miracle worker and should be in the QB coaching HOF.

I think Moore is a good coach and they could have a very nice offense. I think Shough is in a good place to develop. I don’t like Atlanta’s QB situation but they have a lot of pieces especially if Pearce is allowed to play. Not sure about TB. I probably fear NO rising most out of the three.