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Yeah I think we need to be preparing to react to that becoming a big issue.

I am not really willing to cut XL slack on the trajectory of the pass. In fact for a likely 50/50 result Bryce’s rainbows seem like they would be easier to come down with. I am picturing Russell Wilson’s punts that he was so lucky with so often. That is what I pictured it looking like with him and Bryce. You don’t have to be that close to the OB for that to work though. Which Bryce seems to not execute, he is often right on that line or over it. Seems like it couldn’t be that damned hard to make your angle a little less severe when throwing a deeper ball to the outside. But it has been. As to XL, I never had it out for him but I have eyes. He deserves to be demoted.

My first reaction is the mental image of a Cam fastball which surely would make it more difficult. Vs a Bryce cream puff toss. I do think in that situation Bryce’s ball is easier to handle if it is not perfect. I don’t see the need to die on the it bad pass good pass hill, but do not think Bryce threw him a gimme, at the least.

That is probably a good point that I did not consider. It doesn’t force their hand financially, to declare early.

It has been going down that backyard ball road with the QBs a long time. It also has made it more difficult to evaluate OL for the pro game. I agree though that the NIL is making it even worse. Then they get in the league and suck, coaches get fired. Here comes a new system every year for some of them, same as you are talking about in college. Unfortunately, IMO, the league has responded by taking the path of least resistance offensively. The only saving grace for the QB problem we identified here is the slotted salaries out of the draft. No more 100 million rookie deals. Which today would be 250 million and even more. So to me, paying a player that doesn’t bring success in the first two or three years, you can’t do it. Better to take another shot in the draft or reclaim someone else's failure. Given that all staffs are not equal. Look what Shanahan did with Purdy for instance. And their getting off of Lance quickly. In theory if Canales is a QB whisperer type, which we don’t know he isn’t at least to a higher degree than many (not including the established masters) we should be quicker on the trigger with these QBs. If Bryce doesn’t show out next year we really need to hit the reset.

Don’t know why but those videos won’t play on my iPad. I did get to see the play. And what you are talking about is what I expected to see more of with XL. Bryce just isn’t the passer over to the sidelines deep that Stafford is. Inaccurate a lot. Between XL’s sideline gaffs and the tendency to get the pass too near being OB or just OB it definitely doesn’t work like I hoped.

https://overthecap.com/position/left-guard Lewis is the 9th highest paid Left Guard in the league. I bet it was higher when the deal was done two years ago. https://overthecap.com/position/right-guard Hunt #3 highest Right Guard There is a tab in the upper left portion of the graphic that allows looking at the different positions.

Yeah that pass rush is kind of a big deal. He was getting beat though, off the snap not (just) after 5 seconds of defending the scramble drill. He has to do better. And yes we have to help them with a better pressure package.

Can’t argue much with it. Good linebackers would make a huge difference. Jewel wasn’t great but losing him really hurt. We were basically practice squad level a good deal of the time there. Wallace needs to get on the stick, I had hopes for him when they took him but those have been downgraded. I don’t think he will ever be much. edit/PS we did improve, substantially. Despite the remaining issues. A lot of the problem early was likely an issue of integrating new guys and getting them on the same page. We seemed to have fewer blown coverage assignments n the back end as the year progressed.

I blame the players maybe not being good enough to implement the scheme. Also I blame the players, mostly, for their crappy tackling. But the coaches needed to nip that in the bud. And did not. We addressed the edge pressure with substantial draft capital this year, but they weren’t top shelf already there guys. Scourton is young as hell. It takes time though, and yes adding a real stud would be great. I am now afraid this Icky thing thwarts that or could. The best hope I have for Horn is the concussion affected him because most of his bad play seemed to come after that happened. But now he has a second one. Obviously he was disappointing down the stretch.

And that 1.1. They have a long way to go, but it is sort of a blank slate for a coach to work with.

Head coach and coordinator require different skill sets. Couple of guys have all the skill sets, it is rare. EE could transition, never know until you put him in the job, like all coordinators who get the chance to try being HC. And that is why I was really never against hiring retreads. I think it is an acquired skill for some and they can learn a lot from their failure the first time. Of course some just plain are not cut out for it.

Yeah me too. I have only said so almost daily for three years. I do see his improvement, but like I said it still comes up short of expectations. Or requirements. And I long ago gave up expecting 1.1 overall highest level play (actually never expected it, sadly). Just good will do. I guess one more damned year of rollout backyard football is on the menu. Raise your floor Bryce. No more fuging every other week maybe you play well then you go back to rookie Bryce level the next week. More LA Rams Bryce no more SF Bryce.

Seems like get yourself a Loomis and you will always have deep pockets.

Yeah. And a good coach should be able to adapt to his players’ strengths and hide their weaknesses. I feel like Canales wants to run more pocket and PA and the old school offensive style. Or rather, that is where his strength is. And you might think about trying to compliment a coach’s style when you acquire players. OTOH he should be able to grow and adapt as well. The guy looks good in those college games though.

His arrow is pointing up, but its trajectory is on like a 2 degree incline. That isn’t cutting it. If you don’t have a guy who can open up the run game with his arm, you don’t have enough. In my head that was supposed to happen this year and it has not, despite the improvements made. To me it is a timed test and he is battling the clock.

The big money for Icky has to be reclaimed and reallocated. I guess he’ll get his big 5th year option payday which will set him up for life, just the one year. Without looking I am guessing we aren’t that far off from being able to replace the big money guards. We can get out from under Moton if he doesn’t shine in 2026, but it will cost. Basically we can save half of that money in 2027. We can see on Icky, we have until March 2027 to assess that. I think this is bad timing for what we might have wanted to do this offseason for the defense but it may not be that bleak going forward, we have room to adjust.

I don’t know that that is his deal. A guy that amassed the fortune he has, has to be driven.

He certainly is dominant physically. I doubt he is a match for Canales’ preferred play style. But if we took a day 3 flier I promise not to complain if he does nothing. Just keep taking those shots.

I said this in another thread just now but a lot is on the players. Tackling is horrible. They have allowed it. That is on players and the position coaches and Evero. Just adding some talent and tightening that shoddy tackling up should improve things. Plus the guys we drafted this year got a lot of snaps. They’ll have their first offseason as pros and in an NFL strength and conditioning program, I expect every one of them to be better next year.

I don’t disagree but like with my opinion of Bryce what limitations he puts on the offense, and my strong suspicion that the playbook is thinner because of him, and the ripple effect that has overall, I don’t think Evero has been given the tools to make things work much better. Princely’s opinions notwithstanding. Now, this 3rd down poo? Very disappointing. A good bit does fall on the players. The poor tackling is a concern as well, I hate watching that stuff. Position coaches have some responsibility there too. And granted that is his cross to bear in that he put them in place and allowed the lack of attention to those details to exist. But how hard is it it to fuging wrap up? I would fine players for the shoulder tackles. I hate that. Laps, fines, benching, whatever it takes to tighten that up, do it. Before I send him to the trash heap, I want to give it one more draft and FA.

I think he is doing pretty good with using Moehrig in multiple roles. I am fairly patient until my mind is totally made up then I am just stubborn. I do like to cut slack where I think it is warranted. The offensive and defensive cap numbers belie the disparity in assets allocated to Evero compared to the offense. As bad as they were last season, I couldn’t fault anyone. Raising this defense out of poverty was more that a one year job. This was just the first year, so… leeway from me. It hurts not having a tight D but the reality is what it is. He has not been given a first rounder yet. Until this year, no second rounder. They took Burns (which I agreed with basically) but gave him little in return and diverted the booty in picks and cap to the OL basically. They just flat pillaged his pantry and cut off his SNAP. I would feel that way about any DC it just happens to be him. I believe Dan is committed to raising the floor over on that side and expect a few things will be addressed. Losing Icky puts a bit of a damper on how much he can do, but the will is there. IMO.

Might be similar to Fox’s roster when he came here. The bones were there and he whipped them into form. Getting Peppers didn’t hurt but NYG also have a high pick to get some help with. 1-15 when came in, got it to 7-9, then to 11-5. 2 years. But 1-15 to 7-9 tells you that was an underachieving team in 2001.

I should look that up. How much the top Gs make now, who they are… But good lord my reaction is for 100 million he better be. I would expect top 5 for that contract. His deal is two years in so not really cutting edge for the upcoming FA. I am not dogging him, he is a good player and an asset but also I have seen him losing matchups, getting pushed around. In my cheapskate mind no 100 million dollar guard should be having that happen. I guess honestly I feel like we could do better for that money. At the same time 100 mil for any right guard is shocking to me, it is walk on water territory.

My only concrete thought about this is Harbaugh has the track record and rep to withstand dips in success. Like, Caughlin got a lot of leeway from the Maras in some lean years. The people they have put into the job lately were not established and could not get themselves established, I don’t think the same level of security was there for them.