LinvilleGorge

I don't even mind taking an offer that's somewhat less than traditional value I just don't want us to get absolutely fleeced and take a trade offer that would more closely align with the value of a pick on the mid to late teens. If that's the best offer on the table, trust your scouting and take the BPA on your board. Coming across as desperate to move down kinda feels to me like we're a little shook by our recent drafting struggles and we aren't trusting ourselves to pick the right guy. Which is understandable but damn, if that's the case we're already cooked.

I'm fine with putting a for sale sign on the pick and making it known that we're fully willing to entertain offers. I just don't want us to operate like we're on the verge of being foreclosed on. We don't need to panic sell if the price isn't right.

I think it would probably be more like #12 and their 3rd for #8 and I would still be intrigued by that. My concern is more a long the lines of moving down to like #20 for just an extra (later) 3rd. Fug that. You gotta get more value out of #8 overall than that.

I was intrigued by Richardson pre-draft but good lord after he asked to come out of the game because he was "tired"... oh hell no. We're done.

I've been saying for awhile now that if there's a massive curveball coming tonight it's us drafting an OT.

I really hope we've done our homework on him and didn't just recently start really warming up to him based on film and we haven't put in the work on the off field stuff. When guys with legit 1st round talent start getting straight up removed from draft boards that's as massive as red flags get. Professional sports teams are willing to look past a LOT of BS if you have the talent.

And just to clarify if others aren't up to speed, you don't mean the typical injury concerns. You mean out of prison. LOL

I very seriously doubt you're going to get a team to give up all their picks in the first two days of the draft. The math might work out on the chart but nobody wants to put all their eggs in one basket that hard.

Honestly, probably so. I could see Walker being the prospect with the most support but far from the consensus.

Just got a trust your scouting. When it's all said and done there will end up being a lot of variance on the field in the NFL between all these similarly graded prospects. The scary part for Panthers fans is our recent history of abject scouting failures.

Listen to any and all trade offers and take one of the appropriate value is there. If not, draft Jalon Walker.

It's a great year to be a smart team. With all the perennially dumb teams sitting in the top 10 wanting to trade down there will probably be a perennially smart team identify a guy who may not stand out from the pack from a pure talent perspective but who does stand out from the pack in terms of fitting what they're looking for at that position of need and they'll jump up the draft board at a bargain to get him.

Then absolutely listen to offers. I'm not saying to don't trade down. Honestly, my preference would be to trade down with an at or near traditional market value offer. But am I willing to take late teens value for my #8 pick just to move down? Hell no.

Unless the offer(s) are straight trash just seeing if you can get a desperate team to make a dumb mistake. That's the situation I fear is playing out right now.

That's part of the reason why I'd be having my scouts and decision makers actively avoiding media narratives and talking points. Ignore the group think BS. We're going to put in the work and make our own evaluations as unadulterated by the BS as we can manage and sink or swim on that.

This is the widely believed narrative but it'll most likely prove incorrect. There will probably be some great players drafted between #8 and the late 1st. A lot of the guys who are currently being talked about as being "in the same tier" will prove not to be. Then, like always, there will be great players picked in the mid-rounds who were overlooked in large part probably due to group think. If I was running an NFL draft I would be telling my scouts and decision makers to ignore media draft talk. I don't mean just don't pay attention to it, I mean actively and consciously avoid it.

I hope not. I say this because I think in order to trade down we're going to have to take a really bad offer.

Careful what you wish for. I could see us getting absolutely fleeced.

Definitely not. Keep in mind, #10 got traded last year. They moved all the way down to #11 and picked up an extra 4th and 5th to move down that one spot. #17 got traded for #23 and a 5th plus 3rd and 4ths this year. #24 and a 7th got traded for #29 and #73. So a higher 3rd round pick last year meant moving up five spots in the late 1st. Moving up 12 spots into the top 10 needs to net a helluva lot more than a 3rd rounder. The draft pick value difference is worth roughly a late 1st rounder.

I expect Graham to be gone but teams might get caught up on measurables and convince themselves to draft someone else. Unfortunately, we're the poster child for that. Ironically, the one time we ignored measurables we made one of the most aggressive trade ups in recent memory.

You never make a move unless you're willing to take that deal as the only deal. Relying on making a trade up after the trade down just increases your level of desperation and this organization really needs to stop acting out of desperation. It's why we keep getting hosed.

Yeah, we definitely have history. Pretty sure our ass is still mighty sore from the last time they "kept pounding" on us.

Yeah, of Graham is there fug drafting someone else or taking some ripoff trade offer. Just draft the stud. Don't overthink it or try to get cute.

Never be desperate. When you're desperate you're gonna get fleeced. We shouldn't be desperate to trade down. Be willing to take the best player on your board if there isn't an appealing offer. Watch something like trading #8 to Sean Payton in Denver for #20 and #85 or something equally awful.

I mean, we have the worst record in the NFL since Tepper bought the team. It's not like that breeds optimism.