LinvilleGorge

In a different era. The Trent Dilfters and Brad Johnsons of the world aren't going winning Super Bowls in today's pass happy NFL. And yes, Russell Wilson is better than those guys.

Seems like we've been sniffing around the top rated safeties in the draft for about the last three years.

The guy is 230 pounds at only 6'. Any chance he could play OLB?

Not a fan, but I don't mind doing our due diligence on him. I never freak out about workouts. If they work him out and fall in love with him, there will be good reason for it.

Jake was trash? Yeah, you can go ahead and go fug yourself for that one.

Play calling? I don't think you draw up a play where your QB runs around like a mad man while being chased by half the defense and then throws up a wounded duck throwing across his body. That's a TD going the other direction more often than not.

sure, I'll take a crack at it Breshard Perriman - 2nd Jaelen Strong - 1st Devin Smith - 2nd Nelson Agholor - 2nd Phillip Dorsett - 2nd Dorial Green-Beckham - 4th Sammie Coates - 3rd Justin Hardy - 3rd Chris Conley - 4th

Maybe so. We'll see. Hell, I hope you're right. With that said, they aren't bringing him in to block. They're bringing him in as a legit #1 receiving threat and redzone target, two things they sorely lacked last year.

Let's be real, Jimmy Graham makes the Seahawks a MUCH scarier team.

All I'm saying is that Cam carries a much bigger burden in our offense than RW does in the Seahawks' offense. In his career, Cam has accounted for 23.7% of our rushing carries at 7.5 carries per game and a whopping 46.5% of our rushing TDs. He's done this while also averaging 31 passing attempts per game. He's personally responsible for 71.7% of our total yards and 72.8% of our total TDs. That is hurt by the fact that he missed two games last season. Accounting for those two games, those numbers jump to 74% and 75.1%, respectively. Russell Wilson on the other hand has accounted for 19.6% of the Seahawks rushing carries at 6.4 carries per game and 22% of their rushing TDs. He's done this while averaging 26 passing attempts per game. He's personally responsible for 66.6% (because he's the devil) of the Seahawks total yards and 66.9% of the Seahawks total TDs. I'm not really exaggerating when I say that Cam truly IS our offense.

I'm sorry you're mad. It's okay to just say that you were wrong. It happens to everyone. Yes, I'm aware there are more variables at play, but we can simply go off of the information we have available. Strangely, you want to act like the only variables at play in LaFell's production in Carolina vs. NE are Cam vs. Brady. Would you like me to show you my MBA?

Demonstrably false. He is MUCH better with Cam. In two seasons with Cutler: 101 catches on 178 targets for a 56.7% catch percentage with a 10.05ypc average and averaging 508 yards per season on 89 targets per season. In four seasons with Cam: 271 catches on 425 targets for a 63.7% catch percentage with a 11.85ypc average and averaging 802 yards per season on 106 targets per season. If you drop the first season where his catch percentage was much lower than the last three at 50%, you get a catch percentage of 67.4% So, let's do the extrapolation for Cutler... Based on the averages, if Olsen averaged those 106 targets per season with Cutler, he'd average: 60 catches for 603 yards.

It's not ~30 "imaginary plays". It's called extrapolation. You won't know what that means, so let me help you with that: In mathematics, extrapolation is the process of estimating, beyond the original observation range, the value of a variable on the basis of its relationship with another variable. Sorry, obviously statistics are over your head. My bad. I'll try to remember that in the future.

I think Wilson shows a pretty good arm. What he does that I've never been able to understand is what SOJA alluded to. The guy throws some crazy poo up there that looks like it's 50/50 INT or incomplete with no chance of a completion, yet time and time again it gets completed. It looks lucky as poo, but it's hard to call it luck when the guy has been doing it dating all the way back to college that I know of but I'm sure even earlier than that. I just knew that stuff would catch up to him at the NFL level but it hasn't yet. I don't really count the back breaking SB INT as one of those. That was a poorly thrown ball, but not the type of crazy throw that I'm talking about. This is the type of stuff I'm talking about: Hell, there was a great example of one in the Super Bowl right before the INT. I was just shaking my head because I thought RW and that lucky horseshoe he has wedged in his ass were gonna pull off insanity again. Then that horseshoe finally fell out.

Hell, Hurney overpaid everybody. The guy was like:

Hell, I thought it was a complement. I think many people have forgotten how good Jake was at his best.

No, I just used stats to show you that the difference wasn't major. You leaned on media hype, bulk stats, and what you assumed to be the truth to form your opinion. Now you're butthurt that the stats didn't bear that out. That catch percentage yielded an additional 8 catches and 103 yards for LaFell compared to what he would've been expected to get in Carolina with the same number of targets. Explain why Cam suffered a 10% drop in completion percentage when throwing to LaFell? Did Cam throw the ball differently when he was targeting LaFell? Everyone else seemed to do okay. Also in 2013... Greg Olsen 67%. Steve Smith 59%. The only Panther who had a lower catch percentage than LaFell was Ginn at 52% and we all know he had a lot more downfield bombs which will always translate to a lower percentage of completions.

RW is a good QB with clutch ability. He's not elite. He's basically Jake Delhomme with running ability.

LaFell's stats through the first two weeks in 2013: 4 catches for 13 yards. Try again.

Let's take a look at that "career year" Lafell had. In 2013 with the Panthers, he caught 49 passes out of 88 targets (55.7% of targets caught) for 627 yards for a 12.8 yard average and 5 TDs (10.2% of catches going for TDs). In 2013, Cam's passing accuracy was 61.7%, so he suffered about a 10% drop when throwing to LaFell. In 2014 with the Pats, he caught 74 passes out of 119 targets (62% of targets caught) for 953 yards for a 12.9 yard average and 7 TDs (9.5% of catches going for TDs). In 2014, Brady's passing accuracy was 64.1%, so he also suffered a drop in efficiency when throwing to LaFell albeit not as large of a drop as Cam did.B If he got 119 targets in Carolina's offense his production would've been the following based on his 2013 stats: 66 catches for 848 yards and 7 TDs (6.7 to be exact). Basically, LaFell is the guy he has always been. He got a small benefit from Brady's increased accuracy, but the bigger benefit from simply being in a more pass heavy offense. It was probably good for him to get away from Cam's bullets. He just couldn't handle them.

Agholor

Tough to do it in football. The QB position in and of itself is so much more important than any other position in the major team sports.

You can't compare RW to Cam. RW has largely been a game manager during his NFL career while on the other hand, Cam has largely been asked to BE our offense.

It's just not that simple in terms of #6 WR vs. #1 CB. For one, I don't think the #1 CB will be there at #25 anyway, so it's kind of a moot point. Also, not all draft classes are created equal. Some positions are stronger than others. Once again, this looks like a pretty damn strong WR class. I've already said that I don't necessarily see anything special about Agholor either and I wouldn't take him in the 1st round. If he's still on the board when we're picking in the 2nd though, he becomes intriguing.

I liked Coates until I watched more games. LOVED the guy after watching him absolutely SHRED Alabama. But, some games he just plain doesn't show up. Is he the guy who shredded Bama for 206 yards and 2 TDs? The guy who had 144 yards and a TD vs. LSU? The guy who had another 122 yards and a TD vs. Ole Miss? I mean, he looks like a top 15 pick in those games. The problem is that in the other nine games of the season he did about jack poo. A total of 269 yards in those other nine games COMBINED. Not one single TD in those games. You want a guy who shows up for three games a season in the 2nd round? Hell no.