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Every team in the league has a kicker good from 60 these days they say obviously having missed Fitz barely make it to the endzone on a 55 yard attempt yesterday (that would've been wide right even if it had been long enough).

The Jets might be as bad as us. LOL

The Jets are doing something to give away their snap count because the Dolphins DL is beating the Jets OL off the snap almost every play. Their DL is anticipating the snap better than the OL that supposed to know it's coming.

What fuging company that is. Good lord. Being at the bottom of that list says everything. LOL

Definitely some arena league looking trash they're wearing tonight

Damn. The Jets absolutely cram the ball down the Dolphins' throats all the way down the field and then fumble it away literally on the goal line as they're going into the endzone. What a dick punch.

Honestly most modern NFL offenses revolve around the short passing game with the ball coming out fast but you need the threat of the deep ball to make that work. The threat of the deep ball is vital. You just don't have it with Bryce. You can essentially defend the entire field like it's the redzone.

That's probably one of the folks who ran off to discord or maybe Icege

It's an unpopular opinion but I actually think Phil Snow was a damn good football coach.

Seems like it would be cause for going balls to the wall. I mean, you're probably gonna lose anyway so go down swinging and try to give yourself a chance, right? If you play super conservatively with a bad team you're gonna get your ass kicked 9 times out of 10 unless the other team pulls a Falcons and just hands the game to you. The bigger the talent discrepancy the more aggressive you're forced to play. That's why I loved watching those '00s Boise State teams. They knew they didn't have the talent to compete with the big dogs just playing hat on a hat football so they'd go out there and just run video game poo and they did it with delusional confidence and it was just pure fun to watch. LOL

It's pretty impressive how ass they are when our GM was a great LB.

Here's a good example of a 0.0 pass block from yesterday's games..

I prefer results. I care a lot less how they come. Just win. If that means you're chewing ass, fine. If that means you're being a rah rah guy, fine. I don't really care.

I've heard enough from his former players that Ron behind closed doors was a far different and far more intense person than "stoic Ron" on the sidelines to believe it. Maybe Canales is too but I can't recall hearing much about it.

In house analytics are probably the only ones that should actually matter because that analyst can work hand in hand with the coaches breaking down the film. I like PFF as a statistical aggregator much more than I rely on their grades. Their grades tell me the opinion of PFF and how their accumulative play by play grading system viewed that game, season, whatever. The bigger the data set the more useful that grade is going to be but it's always going to be flawed. It'll give you a very high level overall idea, that's about it. If a guy grades really well in coverage for the season he probably is a really good coverage guy and vice versa. They can basically tell you if a guy is really good or really sucks and then there's a ton of gray in the middle and you have to figure out how that guy is going to translate in the role you have in mind. For instance, you don't want to sign Moehrig planning on primarily using him as a deep FS.

You just nailed a big issue I have with PFF. They act like their grades are completely objective when in reality they're based on the opinion of the person grading the play. Like in the situation I outlined above. I can see why one person might grade that incomplete pass to T-Mac one on one deep negatively when you had Tremble open underneath. A lot of that depends on the offensive mindset of the team. Are we a conservative offense leaning on defense or are we a team that wants to be aggressive on offense? If the former, that play should probably grade negatively because that offense is looking to control the clock and methodically advance the ball. If the latter, that OC and HC probably applauds taking that shot counting on still being able to convert and move the chains on 3rd and 4. They'll value the opportunity for the big chunk over the safe play in that situation. They're also assuming they know the play call and the read. Was that missed throw and actual miss or did the receiver make his cut two yards deeper than he was supposed to? Did that DB blow the coverage or was he playing his correct role and someone else screwed it up? Yeah, that receiver was open early but he was the 3rd read in the progression. A lot of these situations the only person who objectively know the answer is the play caller and the outside observer is forced to work off of assumption.

I'm not deeply familiar with their system but it seems to me that they likely treat every play equally. Oh, that was a positive play. Sir, it was more than a run of the mill positive play. It was a jaw dropping game winning TD. You can't treat that play as the equal of a random 2nd down play in the 1st half where you made the wrong read and it resulted in an incomplete pass. Less drastic, there's just a difference in importance to say 2nd and 4 in a game you're up two scores and 3rd and 8 when you're trailing. There has to be something in the formula to account for weighting of plays and it's something that's going to take some trial and error and you're probably never going to stop tweaking with it to fine tune it. I think that's where a lot of the PFF scores feel off. You'll watch a game and a guy will have a handful of very impactful plays but not otherwise particularly stand out and PFF will grade him negatively but did he really have a bad game? He wasn't "bad" otherwise and he made a handful of key plays. I think every football person would grade that overall positively. Same thing on the flipside. A guy was pretty decent overall but had a handful of absolutely terrible reps that led to negative consequences in the game. Despite being overall decent most football people would agree that the bad outweighed the good and that should result in an overall negative grade where it seems like PFF would tend to grade that performance positively. I also wonder if they take into account situational football. Let's say it's that 2nd and 4. Overall the offense has been struggling a bit and we haven't been able to get any chunk plays and the D is really crowding the line. Tremble is open on a drag underneath that would likely move the chains but T-Mac is running a go down the sideline and he's one on one. You take the shot. It falls incomplete. I suspect PFF would grade that negatively where I'd honestly be neutral on it. Yeah, hitting Tremble likely moves the chains but we still have 3rd and 4 coming up with a decent chance to convert (we're pretending we have a real QB here, bear with me LOL). That shot to T-Mac was a good opportunity and it makes the D respect that you can threaten them vertically. I'm okay with it in the context of the game as outlined. I'm just not a big fan of going through a game and grading play by play on a stand alone basis. You have to consider the context of the game.

It's similar to Bryce though. I agree with you on Shedeur as a college QB. Absolutely. In terms of NFL prospects though, I would always point out that he doesn't have a single plus trait as an NFL QB. There's nothing about his measurables that are above average for an NFL QB. And then you had the playing style issue. Running around to buy time before chucking up a prayer to your elite NFL prospect teammate wasn't going to translate. I said the same thing about Shedeur that I said about Bryce, it's hard for me to look at his college play and point out many plays that I can say "See, that right there translates to the NFL. That works on Sundays."

The one thing we can't do again is go all in and mortgage the entire short to mid-term future on one prospect. The draft is just too much of a crap shoot to do that. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft. But when you trade a king's ransom in draft capital and a good starter to get a guy it's absolutely gutting if he busts. A top pick bust always sucks but at the end of the day all that cost you was one pick. You gotta leave it at that. You can't let a mistake cost you multiple 1sts, a 2nd, and a starting WR.

I just think they really misunderstood Shedeur's draft prospects. Travis Hunter was a legit elite NFL prospect. Shedeur wasn't. Shiloh wasn't NFL caliber, period. They just really thought that Shedeur was right up there with Hunter in terms of NFL draft stock and I never saw it. Even when the media was following right along with Deion barking about it. I got called a hater saying all along that Shedeur wasn't a 1st round prospect. He seemed like the stereotypical good college QB that had a lot of questions marks in terms of translating to the NFL that typically goes somewhere on the mid-rounds.

He didn't want him going to the Browns either but once you start plummeting down the draft board you go from trying to dictate to just hoping you get a chance. To Deion's credit he seems to have realized that he wasn't helping his son's situation and has shut up.

Yeah, so far this highly touted class is looking very meh. If I had to take a guy today I'd take Mendoza. I'm intrigued as hell by Sellers but he's been underwhelming this year while also acknowledging that his OL is complete ass. Still plenty of football left to play. Hoping some guys really emerge but we'll see.

I'm not at all opposed to having number crunchers on staff but it just needs to be part of the overall process. My concern with Tepper is that with his background outside of football and the comments he's made in the past about analytics I think he might be prone to putting way too much stick into the number crunching. I get it, everyone is looking for ways to draft better because it's a crap shoot in a lot of ways and there's busts and steals in every draft class but you're never coming up with a perfect formula and PFF seems to have a bad habit of instead of acknowledging misses and trying to tweak their system they'll just resort to mental gymnastics and try to convince people that their eyes were lying and that guy who played like ass was actually pretty good

I'm not misrepresenting anything. You just seem to have a pretty stunning lack of self awareness that you're literally doing the same thing you complain about. I don't "think" that you care about people picking on Bryce you very blatantly obviously DO. Keep slinging those poo reactions buddy. LOL

If you were simply posting the tweet or talking about the content of the tweet, sure. But no... you gotta throw in your bullshit and try to make it about your perception people are unfairly picking on Bryce. I just think it's comical that while you constantly bitch about other people derailing conversation you're literally doing the exact same thing to your own thread. I mean, keep it up. It's entertaining. We need entertainment.