LinvilleGorge

Just be honest. If all their QBs hit their athletic ceiling who has the most potential? I'm not saying to draft AR over Stroud and Young. I don't have enough info to say I'd do that. I'm just saying if he has what it takes between the ears to maximize his athletic potential he's gonna be the best QB out of the bunch. Using your logic, you would've ran away from Josh Allen. Hell, at that time I would have too. But watching how much that guy improved with better coaching and a better supporting cast changed the way I view these types of prospects. It all comes down to what you think they have between the ears and how coachable they are and how hard you think they're willing to work at their craft. Yeah, AR has the highest potential ceiling of the bunch and I honestly don't even see it as debatable.

Ron and Shula. Shula has never had another OC shot for a reason and Ron has never accomplished anything without Cam. We had an absolute stud and rode him into the ground. It is what it is.

They're a year older with a lot more game experience. I'm not pounding the table for AR. I have no idea how I'd evaluate him because all the question marks all have to do with the things us fans have minimal insight into. In just saying that yeah, there's an easy case to be made for how he becomes the best NFL QB of the bunch.

I don't. Well, his arm is probably comparable to the AARP version of Brady and the Frankeneck version of Manning, but all those guys had better arms for the majority of their careers.

He has by far the best physical tools in the draft. He's young, he's very inexperienced, but if though the interview process you determine that you think he has what it takes mentally to develop how is he NOT the best prospect? If you watch the games, I think you'll be surprised. His wide receivers were straight trash and they got slammed with injuries. They scored 38 points in a losing effort against Florida State when they were missing their top FIVE WRs. Whoever WR #12 was, I would've cut his ass after that game. Quite possibly the most useless game I've ever seen a player play.

All three of those guys had good NFL arms. Not elite, but good. Better than Young's.

The dude is just slightly built. I doubt it has anything to do with him not working hard. Hell, porking up for the combine to weigh in 200+ then shedding it off for his pro day took work.

What are you basing this on? Where have you heard about him not busting his ass off the field? It kinda just sounds like you want him to be an asshole.

Ahahahahahaha!!! The pic is being censored because of his name. PENIS!!!

Found this. Maybe had something to do with it. While Penisini never gave a clear reason as to why he retired from the game of football, he did deal with some serious injuries during his two years in Detroit. Lions coach Dan Campbell explained a gruesome injury the defensive tackle had during his rookie season. “John Penisini had what looked like softballs in his shoulder that he had repaired after the season after the fact,” Campbell said in July of 2021. “It just looked like a bunch of calcium deposits that had been in there. You wonder why when you watch the film last year why he’s not using his arm. It’s because he had issues. It’s a credit to him playing through it and all of those things.”

My big concern with Williams as an NFL prospect is his processing speed. He would've had one of the slowest average times to throw in the NFL last year. If he can't speed up he probably won't translate.

Yeah, there's nothing about his mentality that I question. All of my questions come down to his physical traits. He's well below ideal size and his arm is honestly NFL average.

That's what makes Mahomes special though. Without his hose I'm not sure if Mahomes' game works. That's my concern with Young outside of the obvious size concerns.

I like him as a player. I really do. It's just that his fanboys calling him Mahomes lite don't seem to realize that he's Mahomes REALLY lite. There aren't many of Mahomes' highlights that Young can duplicate. He just doesn't have that level of arm talent. Yeah, he can generate velocity and go deep but he has to have the time and space to wind up and step into it.

Yeah, that's my point. You can't get elite QB talent when you want them to just turn around and hand the ball off.

The one thing all of those throws have in common is that he has plenty of time and plenty of room in a clean pocket to wind up and step into the throw. I don't know if he can go deep in the NFL with pressure in his face. Stylistically, I get the Mahomes comparison. But the big difference is Mahomes doesn't require that time and space to step in and wind up to generate velocity and/or go deep. Young can't do this.

I honestly can't comment on Mahomes as a prospect. I just wasn't paying any attention to QBs in the draft at that time. Cam was 27 years old and a year removed from being the NFL MVP.

Having three straight decades of first ballot HOF QB play and only getting two rings out of it is some pretty significant underperformance.

Where did I say he wasn't a pocket passer? I said that scrambling is a big part of his game. Because it is.

That handoff was horrible but it looks like someone screwed up there before the handoff occurred. Looked like Young expected the RB to be on his right hand instead he was on his left. One of them was wrong and so everything was out of sync. RB had to slow down, Young had to readjust. Play was fuged from jump street. That's the type of poo that happens when you try to do something on game day that you likely rarely practice.

It comes down to scheme. If you want to run a lot of snaps from under center you're probably not high on Bryce Young. If you plan on primarily operating out of the gun then you probably don't really care anyway.

It's very obvious if you watch any Bama games at all over the years. Bama transitioned from an old school ground and pound I formation power running team that wanted to run the ball and only throw when they felt they had to a full on spread offense slinging the ball all over the field seemingly overnight. And yeah, you gotta give Saban props for that. He's an old school defensive coach. I'm sure he'd prefer to play his old way. But he saw where the game was going and knew that if he wanted to keep getting elite offensive recruits he was going to have to evolve with the game and play the style of ball those kids were going to be attracted to.

I feel like we probably ran as much or more shotgun as anyone when we had Cam. It honestly felt like Cam was what kicked off the mobile QB in the shotgun fad that has swept across the league. The haters don't wanna admit it, but that dude changed the way the QB position is played in the NFL.

All I'm saying is that if you had to put money down on who gets up off the turf after an identical hit a 185 pound dude or a 240 pound dude who are you betting on? Now maybe Young is just better at avoiding big hits and/or maybe he's just blessed with genetics that make him naturally more durable. I don't know. It reminds me of all the folks who point to studies that show that punches with boxing gloves deliver just as much energy to the target as punches with smaller, far less padded MMA gloves. But I guarantee that if you took those same science nerds who did those studies and stand by their results and instead put it to them this way: "I'm gonna put on one of these two gloves and punch you in the face as hard as I can. Pick one." Every single one of them would reluctantly reach for that heavily padded boxing glove.

If it was Levis I'd hope for the best but I'd anticipate watching quite a bit of Sam Howell in coming years while awaiting the next Panthers reset.