MHS831

Time to call it a career. I am not sure any team with a QB injury would be interested, considering how poorly he played here. Maybe the Ravens, if he played well against them in the past.

I am guessing Sam and PJ are healthy. It could be that his attitude became problematic-something we'd never know, but probably suspect.

There is a huge difference between 24 and 29, but what bothered me about Baker--in Cleveland, he had a good OL, good D, good rbs and good WRs. He strived to be average. With Darnold, I see the tools--his issue is between his ears--different coaches, systems, no OL, etc. everywhere he has been--so I get it, but you have to evaluate the situation as much as the individual player. This is about the system of support and consistency. Driving on the highway in good weather is not akin to having to off road in a monsoon. I get you--I really do--in deep down inside, I know the odds are against Darnold. But I am an educator who has written books about people who are traumatized and what it takes to save them--you remove the trauma and provide a system of support--it takes time. Maybe that is not effective in the NFL, but if the tools are there and the "demons and ghosts" are exorcised, maybe there is something there. Not that we should leave Darnold as the only option, but your opinion of his driving is when he is late (behind), offroad (blitzed), and confused (lack of consistency and support). For a 24 year old kid in a job that is characterized by vicious attacks and instant gratification expectations, age does matter in my opinion. Just a perspective--I see your points and fear they are accurate.

I am basing this on the fact that he is only 24 and has never really had a team to manage. But if we have realistic options, yes, explore them please. If we draft a QB of the future, you need a bridge qb in most scenarios. Those guys used to be veterans who were squeezing out a few years. It just seems the new QB of the NFL does not permit that as much as it did. And then there is the $$$ a backup costs now--do you pay that $$$ for a 1-year stopgap with a foot in retirement or do you find a developmental player? I Dunno. I am the worst at predicting QB talent in the NFL, but I do know that talent levels tend to fluctuate with support. Throwing under pressure and on the run is a lot different than in a clean pocket. So many young prospects are thrown to the wolves as franchise saviors and they are set up to fail. At 21 years old or so, it must be overwhelming.

If we could add a good TE in round 2 and a RB late, this offense could be solid. Go into the season with a QB group like Levis, Corral, and maybe a veteran with a strong supporting cast-- you do not hire the conductor before you have a strong orchestra.

Yeah, which is why he looks tremendously better when the Panthers are in front and the D is playing well. The OL is showing it can be really good in the run game and the pass pro is 3x better than last year. As the QB price tag goes up to $50m per year, it could be that the best move is to build everything else and go with a game manager at QB. So if we can't find a QB, maybe the best approach is to go after a TE, LB, and DE.

I think Levis will be the Panther pick.

That is what I was saying about Cam throughout his career. It takes its toll.

If we do not fall behind early, Sam can manage the game and our defense can step up. If it falls on his shoulders, we could be in trouble.

I see maybe 3-4 winnable games--so that is about right if we are predicted to win half of the winnable games. To me, the Steelers are the question mark. I could see us losing out too. Not sure about Seattle, but the rest are possible. Detroit has been underperforming all season, and they are better than their record. If I had that bet to make, I would definitely take the over.

For those of you who are Tankers, you should know that the gurus in Vegas have the Panthers finishing the season with a record of 5-12 or 6-11--with a lean toward 6 wins. Carolina Panthers: Over/Under 5.5 (-130) The Panthers (5.5 wins) are 0-5 on the road this season but have won three straight home games under interim HC Steve Wilks. They’re getting +120 odds at Caesars to finish with five wins or fewer. (which to me, indicates that the odds of winning 6 games is slightly higher than 5) https://www.thelines.com/odds/nfl-win-totals/ With the Panthers' current over/under at 5.5 they sit in the 29th best position entering this week--meaning if this were the draft order, they would pick 3rd. The Panthers have 2 winnable home games, however, and they have been winning at home under Wilkes. Pittsburgh and Detroit. They play at Seattle on December 11, and then after 2 home games, finish the year on the road with games at Tampa and New Orleans. Just FYI

Any success Rhule had in college was based on his ability to BS 18-year old kids. In the pros, that is not a recipe for success.

Then bend over.

Dang. I was betting "cremation" with 10:1 odds.

Zapped away that mole scar on his cheek and his hairline returned to his forehead. It must be true.

I have tried my best to pick college QBs who will succeed in the NFL. I am usually wrong, but comforted by the fact that the GMs are too. For people to pretend to know how good or bad this guy will be only demonstrates how well they package something they have no idea about into the perception of knowledge. I firmly believe there are so many variables, QB should be the last piece you add. Our offense is there, for the most part. We need a TE and maybe another RB and WR. We need a good QB coach, good D, and a head coach who understands game situations in relation to the QBs developmental level. We need an OC who tailors an offense to the QBs' strengths. We need patience.

A lot of coaches' value is inflated because he had a good QB.

I am Danny Divito--the guy in the red M shirt. The green vehicle represents the last 5 years. Get it? It is a metaphor.

Of course they did- but watch TV on National Signing day and count the Alabamas and Ohio States. If you have better players, it makes the QB better--not debatable. So you are saying, 'Since Oregon and LSU had good players too..." The difference is slight, but there is a difference. Are you saying that Oregon and LSU have equal or better teams than Alabama, OSU, and Georgia? I am just saying that you'd think the best schools would produce the best QBs--but when you see them play in perfect conditions with the advantage. How did Stroud do when he fell behind vs. Michigan? He was not used to that. OSU was favored by a TD, and they had no answers. He was not used to playing from behind. He was not used to facing a D with their ears pinned back. He had a good game--don't get me wrong--but he also had 2 picks. I hope you are right. We need a good young QB--my point is simply buyer beware if you are shopping for an OSU qb. They are used to ideal conditions.

It is sort of a Chicken or Egg thing--the school recruits a player that best fits their system--not always a good fit for the NFL--but the NFL is starting to adapt. If a school has top QB talent and they are drafted early every year and they all bust, there is a reason that these players' stock is high--I mean, give me the OSU stable of RBs and WRs--the OL--the fact that every game you are 10+ point favorites--perfect conditions. It is a good argument--but you are not measuring the school, you are measuring the variables in which that player performs.

Burrow went to LSU when he could not beat out Haskins and won a title. Josh Allen is from Wyoming. Lamarr Jackson? Louisville. Jones? Duke. There are some Bama QBs starting to make some noise, but not as much noise as one might expect.

Personally, I think there should be a "buyer beware" tag on any QB from Bama, Clemson (until recently), Georgia, Ohio State etc. because they have the better players around them. They rarely play from behind. They have WRs who get open and make plays. They are auditioning in ideal circumstances in which they have all the advantages.

Don't sell yourself short. That is a damn nice keyboard. I agree with this. and even though these QBs are scouted, interviewed, weighed and measured in workouts/combine/pro day, etc. most first round QBs bust.

OK, but that school had Joe Burrow, and decided to go with Haskins. That is the school, not the player. The reason? Burrow did not fit their system as well. If an elite NFL QB does not fit the system, then the school is recruiting for their system and that does not necessarily equate to an ideal NFL QB--that is the school and the kind of players that school recruits. OSU usually has the better OL, the better WRs, TEs, and the better Defense. I would say that is true 10 games a season. There may not be a better system in which to play QB--maybe Alabama or Georgia compares. And are we really going to measure a player on 5 games--but I agree that Fields is starting to show that he has broken the OSU curse.