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To be honest, I secretly want Willis, but understand that he could be a bust--I logically want to win now and that makes Pickett my choice---but I do not want to see 2 fumbles per game as BC is bull rushed into his blind side. Corral--I think he is quietly the most stable, has extensive experience in the RPO etc. And he took a Mississippi team and they won offensive shoot outs. That offense averaged about 30 pts a game. So I am torn and just going to sit back and watch the show.

That was my first thought--however, Corral has not been given the hype and press the other 2 QBs received, and maybe they have them rated about equal? Who knows, but you are right--hitting at QB is so difficult, you don't compromise to add a second or third rounder--only if your preferred QB is the third QB on most other boards.

Are you responding to this quote from my post?: "With Trubiski, I tend to think the Steelers will sit at #20 and not trade up unless Willis is there around pick #10 or so" Please read more carefully.

And you are....? I am sure you have heard that 1000 times too.

Good thoughts---I would add that Atlanta has so many needs, I think they either trade back or they take a top WR at 8. They literally have nobody to throw the ball to right now. They miss the Julio Jones days--so I am guessing Wilson or London, both WRs. Full disclosure: The chances of me being right is approximately .014%. Do not use this information to bet the mortgage. Seattle is the team that I think will move up if Willis is there at #5.

Detroit: If you want a QB, hope that the Jags do not take Hutchinson #1 overall (likely). He is from Michigan, and the Lions would love him. I still think Goff is better (this year) than the draft picks, so spending the second overall pick on Willis may be exciting, but would it be smart? The Lions are key. But if I am them, I use the second first rounder (#32) and the second rounder (#34) to move back into the middle of the first round for a QB--if that is what I decided to do. The Lions are desperate for a WR, so I think they could trade away the #2 pick (Atlanta? Seattle?) and move back for Ohio State's Wilson if Hutchinson is gone and they do not like Thibideaux. The Steelers at 20 are going to be agressive for Willis--how aggressive? It would take 2 first rounders and a second to move all the way up for Willis (to get him at #5). Are they that much in love with him, or would they rather sit back and go with Trubiski and hope he falls closer to them? With Trubiski, I tend to think the Steelers will sit at #20 and not trade up unless Willis is there around pick #10 or so. The Falcons seemed to grab Mariota in a quick, face-saving move. At 8, will they get aggressive now and take the second QB when they have nobody to throw to? They have ZERO at WR, and they need an Alpha there. I just think it makes more sense drafting Wilson (WR Ohio St) or London (WR USC). They could trade BACK or DOWN to do this. The Seahawks, assuming they do not grab a veteran QB before the draft, are like Atlanta--they could see what they have in Lock during a rebuilding year, or they could go ahead and grab the QB. Personally, I think they will use some of the Russell Wilson draft capital and move up to #5 for Willis. However, they need pass rushers and OTs as well, so it will be interesting to see if they decide to go with Thibodeaux (They compare him to Khalil Mack on one Seattle site) or OTs Cross or Penning. If you ask me, Willis at #5 in a trade with the Giants is the move. Of course, if Detroit takes Willis at #2 or Houston at #3, all bets are off--it will probably mean that the Panthers cannot trade back if they want one of the top 3 QBs. Did not mean to be so long winded, but I wanted to do a bit of quick research on this viewpoint and I see it as a real possibility. To say, "Ah, there will be a QB there if we move back to #12 or so" could be faulty logic.

Good stuff and I see it. However, if they have first round grades on 3, then they will probably take one somehow. I want T, but the blood is in the water for a QB--gonna be a frenzy!!! a FRENZY I SAY!" (who knows?)

Could be--I feel confident that, barring the trading we know will happen, that a QB will go at Pick 6 and 9. That is IF nobody trades up.

I think Willis will be the 5th overall pick--the Giants will trade out. The longer he is on the board, the better the trade back offers will be at #6.

I see that, but how do you sell year three (since Rhule arrived--year six since we last won) with the slogan, "Wait til next year!" I think we are doing all we can to win now, and I think they cannot go with Sam--or any veteran they might bring in.

I have seen a mock that had 3 going top 6 (Reuter/CBS, I Think) I will say it here first (even though I am sure others have said it) Corral might be the best of the lot---but my money would go on Willis. However, I think the Panthers would take Pickett all things considered equal. I look for Seattle to trade with the Giants (9 to 5) for Willis or Pickett--we want these three QBs to survive Detroit and Houstion (2, 3) and they should, I am guessing. Out of random thoughts--bye.

For no reason, I think they like Corral. So if he is there, they could take him. However, I doubt they really think the value is there at #6. If we do not hit on this draft pick, then the 2022 draft (for all intents and purposes) went something like this: First Round: Project/bust Second Round: Sam Darnold Third Round: CJ Henderson Day 3: A bunch of guys with a 20% chance of being on the roster in 3 years.

Brady (7 Super Bowl wins) is the only QB with 3 or more super bowl wins to win a super bowl on 2 teams. Manning has 2 Super Bowl wins on different teams. The others with 3 or more SB wins? Montana (4), Bradshaw (4), and Aikman (3).

I am looking at 2022 for now, but I see your point. If they are going with a rookie at QB, he will need a LT and a stout Defense. We lost Jones and Reddick and Gilmore without doing a lot to replace them. I hope that we are not going to put the rookie in positions where he is coming from behind all the time because the D can't stop anyone. Looking at the stats, I understand the economic decision to go with Luvu and Haynes to replace Reddick. I think you have to assume they will produce if given more reps and Burns should be entering stardom. I also think YGM is in year 3 and he will rise (Hardy, Charles Johnson, Rucker--year three was breakout time for each). However, I do not see Ioannitis as a replacement for Jones--we need a stud to keep Roy off the field.

I tend to agree with this--but I have heard about $ for a QB, a LT, possibly Gilmore--but not DT. Gonna be a long season if we do not find a run stuffer (and I have no issues cutting Roy--sorry Rhule if you are reading this).

As it stands now, we have to go with a fifth rounder or something like that-wasn't Nixon a fifth rounder (a good pick, by the way). I think Nixon and Ionnidis are better at pass rushing, and I think Brown fancied himself as one at times (when he should have been taking on a double team and anchoring) and I have no idea what in the hell Roy was doing.

figuratively speaking--if he is on IR which has been his MO...

I hope you are right.

He must have flashed because I was under the same impression, but his stats were minimal and his PFF score (like Roy) was in the 40s. I do not put all my stock in PFF, but they tend to give a more accurate account than my memory. Heck, half the time, I do not even know who is playing DT. DT is hard to gauge because it is generally a win if you can take on a double team without being moved or if you stalemate a blocker so the LB can make a tackle.

Anybody else concerned about the DT situation? (It is slow, so I thought I would throw out a topic we have not discussed in a while) We have Brown--not playing pro bowl level ball, but year 3 is good to a lot of young DTs. He is a 320 lb run stuffer. We have Ioannidis---or do we? Washington fans say he is injured a lot. Pass rusher, not a run stuffer. We have Nixon--and he was pretty good in very limited action last year. We have Roy---he sucked. We have Hoskins---he sucked in limited action. I am hoping we can sign or find another run stuffer, but I would like to hear what Huddlers know about the DT situation.

Interesting point. QB might be depth for a while. I want to go LT, but we are not willing to lose for a year with Darnold. All indications (Watson interest, pro day turnout, not signing a free agent QB) suggest that we are drafting a QB. I honestly do not know which, however. I could see Willis, Pickett, or Corral. I think if Neal is there, you have to take him, make a trade for Jimmy G or Baker or another vet, and go to war.

I am somewhat confident he will be the pick, but I could see us going with Willis (if there) or Corral--we really have Corral undervalued because he was not active until his pro day. I think the Panthers really like one or two of these QBs. People might click this thread and make a post to tell you that this sentiment has already been shared and acknowledged, but I think that was on the Pickett pro day-it is interesting to see what people think now. I give Pickett even odds against the field.

It would be a long reach, and they have Trubiski--so I dunno. I hear Tomlin LOVES Willis--maybe they were hoping he'd drop to them--but that is highly unlikely. If the really want him--they gotta call the Giants (if he passes the Lions and Texans )

I realize that you have insider information and are probably not at liberty to say, because anyone who calls others "bud" must have sources. A Pittsburgh mock has them trading up to #5. While they obviously lack your knowledge, you must understand that there are those less intelligent than you who might think otherwise. Let them have a moment. https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/24/steelers-2022-nfl-mock-draft-malik-willis-giants/ https://stillcurtain.com/2022/03/26/steelers-malik-willis-trade/ FUN FACT: Did you notice in my first sentence I worked in "at liberty"? They are going to move up for Willis. That was a clever hint only you would detect.

Take a look at this mock https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three 4 QBs gone in top 12 picks.